RatkoVarda Posted November 2, 2021 Author Share Posted November 2, 2021 Avila may not be creative enough to do this, but if they sign FAs before the lockout, and pay big signing bonuses instead of 2022 salary, I wonder if they can game the system somewhat. like Chris Taylor - 4/60, with $12M signing bonus, and salaries of 3/15/15/15 to the extent there is a lockout, Taylor would lose just some of his $3M salary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KL2 Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 1 hour ago, RatkoVarda said: Avila may not be creative enough to do this, but if they sign FAs before the lockout, and pay big signing bonuses instead of 2022 salary, I wonder if they can game the system somewhat. like Chris Taylor - 4/60, with $12M signing bonus, and salaries of 3/15/15/15 to the extent there is a lockout, Taylor would lose just some of his $3M salary I doubt any player would agree to it. They're pay isn't going to go down. And any FA would have gone through several arbitration years and wouldn't be desperate for money. The player is better waiting to see how the CBA unfolds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KL2 Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Tiger337 said: It's because they only won 77 games. Deserved or not, nobody is going to win an award with a below .500 record. Joe Girardi says hi https://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2019/11/12/20961671/manager-of-the-year-award-history-purpose-joe-girardi-marlins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, KL2 said: Joe Girardi says hi https://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2019/11/12/20961671/manager-of-the-year-award-history-purpose-joe-girardi-marlins You are right. I don't pay much attention to manager awards, so I am not surprised I am wrong. Looking back at that season, I see that the Marlins were at around .500 in still in the Wildcard race well into September, so I can imagine writers mailing in their Girardi ballots early before the Marlins cooled at the end of the season. I don't think writers will view the Tigers season as extraordinary. Even as a Tigers fan, I don't view it as extraordinary. What I do see is an organization that appears to be catching up to the rest of the league in modern anaylsis and management. Hinch is part of that, but it's more of a positive new direction than one great season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KL2 Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 14 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: You are right. I don't pay much attention to manager awards, so I am not surprised I am wrong. Looking back at that season, I see that the Marlins were at around .500 in still in the Wildcard race well into September, so I can imagine writers mailing in their Girardi ballots early before the Marlins cooled at the end of the season. I don't think writers will view the Tigers season as extraordinary. Even as a Tigers fan, I don't view it as extraordinary. What I do see is an organization that appears to be catching up to the rest of the league in modern anaylsis and management. Hinch is part of that, but it's more of a positive new direction than one great season. Agree. Just wanted to point out, a 78 win manager has won it before. But its like JV winning the MVP, you need to right ingredients to make it happen. A team wins 75 and was expected to win 40, then the other playoff teams are the same as they've been for several years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 I raked leaves yesterday. We've had a batch of chili made (actually it was a couple of weekends ago). Daylight savings comes to an end this weekend. I guess its time for baseball games to cease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 When I look at the 2021 Tiger season the highlight is all the game and series wins against the top teams. But you can't forget all the losses against the crappy teams and that could be what some people look at first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 7 minutes ago, Archie said: When I look at the 2021 Tiger season the highlight is all the game and series wins against the top teams. But you can't forget all the losses against the crappy teams and that could be what some people look at first. I don't think the voters will look at that at all. I doubt voters from other cities even noticed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: I don't think the voters will look at that at all. I doubt voters from other cities even noticed. Sorry posted in wrong thread Edited November 2, 2021 by Archie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 (edited) I think it will be Cora's to lose. People forget that the Red Sox were about as bad as the Tigers were last year and really weren't expected to do much this year. Not saying that they truly were as bad as their record last year nor aren't way more talented than the Tigers but Im sure voters will just lazily look at that and call it a day. I think it will go Cora, Servais and Cash or Baker. AJ will probably receive some votes though. Edited November 2, 2021 by RandyMarsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 If Cora wins then you can forget the argument that Hinch didn't win because of the Houston scandal. I think he isn't mentioned among the leaders because quite honestly people outside of Tigers fandom are just not all that impressed with his current results or historical record. But these manager awards are goofy anyway, you can get fired just as easily with or without one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 Jon Heyman made his FA predictions and he has Correa coming here for "something in the neighborhood of 10/300". Personally I think he's going to cost more than that but who knows perhaps having a few other big name SSs on the market will lower the price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 (edited) 28 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said: Jon Heyman made his FA predictions and he has Correa coming here for "something in the neighborhood of 10/300". Personally I think he's going to cost more than that but who knows perhaps having a few other big name SSs on the market will lower the price. Hopefully Correa has been lowering his $$ with every out he he has made in this WS.... 🙄 Edited November 3, 2021 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 8 hours ago, RandyMarsh said: Jon Heyman made his FA predictions and he has Correa coming here for "something in the neighborhood of 10/300". Personally I think he's going to cost more than that but who knows perhaps having a few other big name SSs on the market will lower the price. I suspect it will be a higher AAV as well. A ten year deal puts him at 37 years old upon the end of the deal. I'm not quite sure how to gauge that. Francisco Lindor got 10/$341M (some of which is deferred). Lindor is about 10 months older than Correa, a ten year deal would cover roughly the same ages. So, I will guess the bidding starts at 10/$350M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 9 hours ago, RandyMarsh said: Jon Heyman made his FA predictions and he has Correa coming here for "something in the neighborhood of 10/300". Personally I think he's going to cost more than that but who knows perhaps having a few other big name SSs on the market will lower the price. I can't see the Tigers not only spending that much but doing a deal that long. A contract like that puts them in the drunken sailor range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 17 hours ago, Archie said: When I look at the 2021 Tiger season the highlight is all the game and series wins against the top teams. But you can't forget all the losses against the crappy teams and that could be what some people look at first. Teams inside the division as well. Have to beat your peers in order to make the next step 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 Can we call Carlos or Corey yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theroundsquare Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 32 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said: Can we call Carlos or Corey yet? Free agency officilay begins Nov. 8. There are a few days to exercise options and for teams to issue QOs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 1 hour ago, mtutiger said: Teams inside the division as well. Have to beat your peers in order to make the next step I don't think the versus team records is anything to worry about. It is probably mostly random and not likely to repeat itself. If they acquire enough talent, they will win enough games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: I don't think the versus team records is anything to worry about. It is probably mostly random and not likely to repeat itself. If they acquire enough talent, they will win enough games. The sample size in-division is pretty large (ie. 18 games per team per year). But you may be right. Edited November 3, 2021 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 9 minutes ago, mtutiger said: The sample size in-division is pretty large (ie. 18 games per team per year). But you may be right. It's still just one year. Is there some reason why they couldn't beat divisional opponents, but were able to beat better opponents? There are always weird splits that fans obsess about and then they go back to normal the next year. It's not something that concerns me at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 (edited) kind of meaningless at this point, but ESPN has the Tigers at #16 in their 2022 preseason power rankings. They are ahead of every other team in the division, with the exception of the White Sox (#2). At best, we're going to be playing for a Wild Card the next couple of seasons, but I don't think the White Sox will have as long of a window as we do. https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32515195/way-too-early-2022-mlb-power-rankings Edited November 3, 2021 by Tenacious D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 51 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: kind of meaningless at this point, but ESPN has the Tigers at #16 in their 2022 preseason power rankings. They are ahead of every other team in the division, with the exception of the White Sox (#2). At best, we're going to be playing for a Wild Card the next couple of seasons, but I don't think the White Sox will have as long of a window as we do. https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32515195/way-too-early-2022-mlb-power-rankings ESPN must think they know what FA the Tigers will sign. The team could look a lot different in the spring with FA signings and if Tork or Greene make the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Archie said: ESPN must think they know what FA the Tigers will sign. The team could look a lot different in the spring with FA signings and if Tork or Greene make the team. that's why they call it "way too early." I think they based on performance this season, plus momentum--likely younger players who should continue to improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 That was fast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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