buddha Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: I don't subscribe to the Athletic. Where are the OSU receivers, Olave and Wilson at? wilson 17 olave 22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley70 Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: I don't subscribe to the Athletic. Where are the OSU receivers, Olave and Wilson at? Wilson is 17 and Olave is 22. Wilson is the top ranked WR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 5 hours ago, RandyMarsh said: Kiper released his new top 25. Has Thibs 1, Hutchinson 5 and Ojabo all the way up to 10. Didn't have Daxton HIll in his top 25 but he has him 2nd out of all the safeties after Hamilton who he has 2nd overall so I'm guessing he's just outside the top 25. Has Pickett as the top ranked QB at 20 followed by Willis at 25. Has 6 WRs in the top 25 overall with Drake London from USC being the highest at 7. The OSU pair of Wilson and Olave are 16 and 22 respectively. Still a ton of time before the draft but it appears that we may be able to get a really good WR with the Rams pick if we choose to go that route. Holmes and Dorsey don't have a track record of drafting WRs in the 1st round. Combined they only have 1 WR drafted in the 1st. Granted the Rams haven't had a lot of 1st round picks and that doesn't include Dorsey trading a 1st for OBJ. Given the depth of late 1st round receivers and the Lions likely having the 1st pick in the 2nd round, they can probably using the Rams pick on a QB and still get a decent receiver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: Holmes and Dorsey don't have a track record of drafting WRs in the 1st round. Combined they only have 1 WR drafted in the 1st. Granted the Rams haven't had a lot of 1st round picks and that doesn't include Dorsey trading a 1st for OBJ. Given the depth of late 1st round receivers and the Lions likely having the 1st pick in the 2nd round, they can probably using the Rams pick on a QB and still get a decent receiver. Yeah I think it will depend on how the draft shakes out. Judging by that War Room video from last draft where Sheila asked about a WR only for Holmes to say they could get a similar one later(presumably St. Brown) leads me to think that unless there is only 1 or 2 receivers available at that pick that are clearly a cut above any guys they could get with a later selection then they will probably just wait. For instance if say 4 of those top guys drop to the Rams pick they may think it is best to get a different position and bank on atleast one of them still being there in the 2nd. Atleast that's how I would do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 This looks to be such a weak draft class. So very thin on playmakers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 3 hours ago, Hongbit said: This looks to be such a weak draft class. So very thin on playmakers. I do think there are a couple playmakers on defense but on offense I do agree, no receivers as good as the top guys last year and none of the qbs would probably be ranked above any of the top 5 last year. Of course that would happen the year the Lions get the first pick and have 2 first rounders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 1 hour ago, RandyMarsh said: I do think there are a couple playmakers on defense but on offense I do agree, no receivers as good as the top guys last year and none of the qbs would probably be ranked above any of the top 5 last year. Of course that would happen the year the Lions get the first pick and have 2 first rounders. psst...lions are likely to be picking top 3 next year too.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruzer1 Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 1 hour ago, buddha said: psst...lions are likely to be picking top 3 next year too.. 3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, Cruzer1 said: 3? 5? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruzer1 Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 1 minute ago, buddha said: 5? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 45 minutes ago, Cruzer1 said: 1 they'll fall bassakwards into 3 or 4 wins next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 (edited) Its too bad Caleb Williams isn't available to 2024, I think he has the potential to be one of those generational guys. Edited November 11, 2021 by RandyMarsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYLion Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 11 hours ago, RandyMarsh said: Its too bad Caleb Williams isn't available to 2024, I think he has the potential to be one of those generational guys. Have faith. I'm sure the Lions will be in a position to take him, the new GM and coach will be happy to have him. 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaki Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 I could live with Thibodeaux and Dax Hill in the first and Sam Howell or another QB at the top of the 2nd. I could also live with Kyle Hamilton at 1-1 and Ojabo at the 2nd 1st and then trade back from the top of round 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Im torn on the idea of taking a QB with the Rams pick or our 2nd. On one hand it obviously would end up being worth it if he turns himself into a legit qb freeing us up to not have to use a 1st on one the following year. On the other hand they rarely work out and you run the risk of passing on the superior option the following year cause you think you got your guy. Kinda like Philly did this past year, they figured they were set with Hurts and passed on qbs only to now reconsider that decision. Also we have so many needs and holes it seems risky to use a precious early pick on a qb that will likely have quite a bit of question marks. With that said I could be talked into it and would inevitably support the pick and player if they do end up going that route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 I'm coming around on Matt Corral if he is available at the Rams pick. He isn't the flashy QB but neither was Justin Herbert or Mac Jones and so far they are the best in their draft class. I like pocket passer. Sure Lamar Jackson is successful but what happens when his legs go? Does he end up like Cam Newton? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 McShay's latest big board has 6 WRs in the top 25 before a little drop to the 7th one, as of now if 2 of those 6 are available with our 2nd and 3rd picks I would seriously consider doubling up on WR with those picks and waiting to 2023 for our qb. I think those 2 WRs along with Hock, Swift and our offensive line would give that QB the tools he needed to succeed from day 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted November 16, 2021 Author Share Posted November 16, 2021 3 hours ago, Shinzaki said: I could live with Thibodeaux and Dax Hill in the first and Sam Howell or another QB at the top of the 2nd. I could also live with Kyle Hamilton at 1-1 and Ojabo at the 2nd 1st and then trade back from the top of round 2. I know that Kyle Hamilton is not just a traditional Safety and can be moved all over the field and schemed into different concepts given his athletic profile and versatility. I also know that past draft decisions by a prior regime should not dictate future draft decisions by a new regime. That said, there is something wholly underwhelming about having four Top 10 picks in a row and you come away with a TE, CB, LT, and S and not one QB or Edge Rusher/DE. I don't think you can pass on Thibodeaux for Kyle Hamilton. As good as Hamilton may be in coverage, creating turnovers, and adding versatility to this defense, we need a dynamic pass rusher capable of disrupting the QB and getting 10+ sacks a season that we can build this defense around. I don't know that Hamilton is a guy you're building the defense around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 9 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: I know that Kyle Hamilton is not just a traditional Safety and can be moved all over the field and schemed into different concepts given his athletic profile and versatility. I also know that past draft decisions by a prior regime should not dictate future draft decisions by a new regime. That said, there is something wholly underwhelming about having four Top 10 picks in a row and you come away with a TE, CB, LT, and S and not one QB or Edge Rusher/DE. I don't think you can pass on Thibodeaux for Kyle Hamilton. As good as Hamilton may be in coverage, creating turnovers, and adding versatility to this defense, we need a dynamic pass rusher capable of disrupting the QB and getting 10+ sacks a season that we can build this defense around. I don't know that Hamilton is a guy you're building the defense around. no flipping way would i take a safety with the first pick in the nfl draft. no no no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruzer1 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 17 hours ago, buddha said: no flipping way would i take a safety with the first pick in the nfl draft. no no no. Exactly. Thibodeaux is also a better player, can wreck offenses while he's at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaki Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 17 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: I know that Kyle Hamilton is not just a traditional Safety and can be moved all over the field and schemed into different concepts given his athletic profile and versatility. I also know that past draft decisions by a prior regime should not dictate future draft decisions by a new regime. That said, there is something wholly underwhelming about having four Top 10 picks in a row and you come away with a TE, CB, LT, and S and not one QB or Edge Rusher/DE. I don't think you can pass on Thibodeaux for Kyle Hamilton. As good as Hamilton may be in coverage, creating turnovers, and adding versatility to this defense, we need a dynamic pass rusher capable of disrupting the QB and getting 10+ sacks a season that we can build this defense around. I don't know that Hamilton is a guy you're building the defense around. Yeah...it's tough to argue with what you're saying. I really like Hamilton and Thibodeaux...we drafted Bennie Blades at 3 in 1988 and he anchored the secondary for close to a decade. I think Hamilton could do that and give us some flexibility in our defensive packages. I don't think we can go wrong with either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted November 17, 2021 Author Share Posted November 17, 2021 17 hours ago, buddha said: no flipping way would i take a safety with the first pick in the nfl draft. no no no. I wouldn't do it either, I was just responding to what Shinzaki wrote. We need a dynamic edge rusher in the worst way possible and if I'm not taking a QB #1 overall than Thibodeaux is my guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 12 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: I wouldn't do it either, I was just responding to what Shinzaki wrote. We need a dynamic edge rusher in the worst way possible and if I'm not taking a QB #1 overall than Thibodeaux is my guy. it looks that way to me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 24 minutes ago, Shinzaki said: Yeah...it's tough to argue with what you're saying. I really like Hamilton and Thibodeaux...we drafted Bennie Blades at 3 in 1988 and he anchored the secondary for close to a decade. I think Hamilton could do that and give us some flexibility in our defensive packages. I don't think we can go wrong with either. 1988 was a good draft for the lions. but just as an example, would you rather have had Neil Smith or Bennie Blades? defensive end is a more important position than safety, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 (edited) This is a terrible draft. There is no debate on #1 pick. It’s Thibodeaux and nobody else. Big drop off from him to whoever is next. Edited November 17, 2021 by Hongbit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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