sagnam Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 Sometimes we see what we want to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruzer1 Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 Just a reminder that the tank is going well, they should have the #1 pick sewed up soon. They have room for error, so they can win a game, preferably against Chicago, but that's not entirely necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 47 minutes ago, Cruzer1 said: Just a reminder that the tank is going well, they should have the #1 pick sewed up soon. They have room for error, so they can win a game, preferably against Chicago, but that's not entirely necessary. HaHa. It will be telling if once they have an unassailable lead on the #1 pick, the coaching suddenly becomes less self-destructive. 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Triggerwarning Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 On 11/20/2021 at 8:05 PM, TP_Fan said: Hutchinson >>>Thibodeaux Neither should be taken as the first pick of the draft. I like them both but Lions need to understand positional value is a thing. Taking a DT in the second and third round last year was stupid given all the holes on the roster. I get building through the tranches but back to back top 3 round picks on DT isn't smart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruzer1 Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Triggerwarning said: Neither should be taken as the first pick of the draft. I like them both but Lions need to understand positional value is a thing. Taking a DT in the second and third round last year was stupid given all the holes on the roster. I get building through the tranches but back to back top 3 round picks on DT isn't smart. The Lions run a 3-4, so they needed different defensive linemen to begin with. They needed a nose tackle, and got the only one in the draft. That's a lot of position value on the 2nd day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TP_Fan Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 8 hours ago, Triggerwarning said: Neither should be taken as the first pick of the draft. I like them both but Lions need to understand positional value is a thing. Taking a DT in the second and third round last year was stupid given all the holes on the roster. I get building through the tranches but back to back top 3 round picks on DT isn't smart. They are edge players. Not tackles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 1 hour ago, TP_Fan said: They are edge players. Not tackles. Don't distract him... He's on a roll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2022-nfl-mock-draft-giants-find-replacement-for-daniel-jones-browns-beef-up-receiving-corps/ First mock I've seen that doesn't have us taking Thibs instead it has us actually going with Hutchinson. Also has us taking Dotson with our Rams pick. Some other notable picks are Willis being the first QB off the board to the Giants all the way up at number 5 and Thibs dropping to number 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 4 hours ago, RandyMarsh said: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2022-nfl-mock-draft-giants-find-replacement-for-daniel-jones-browns-beef-up-receiving-corps/ First mock I've seen that doesn't have us taking Thibs instead it has us actually going with Hutchinson. Also has us taking Dotson with our Rams pick. Some other notable picks are Willis being the first QB off the board to the Giants all the way up at number 5 and Thibs dropping to number 8. pickett is the first qb off the board at #4. strange mock probably designed to get attention, but you never know. yhe draft is a long way away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 24 minutes ago, buddha said: pickett is the first qb off the board at #4. strange mock probably designed to get attention, but you never know. yhe draft is a long way away. Exactly. This guy has been click bait all season long. He puts these crazy mocks that change weekly just to get people talking. He’s the Carlos Monarrez of mock drafters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 (edited) Yeah I didn't know his history, just saw somebody tweet it out earlier, also I know mocks mean nothing at this point but if they are written by true insiders or true talent evaluators I think it serves a purpose to see where abouts people view talent as of now. It's obviously way too early to put any stock into them whatsoever though. With that said I do say that I wouldn't be surprised if a QB went as high as 5th, granted this is one of the weaker QB classes I can remember, atleast going by where pundits rank the best ones overall but seemingly every year there is a QB or two that ends up getting taken in the top 10 way ahead of anybody's projections. Edited November 25, 2021 by RandyMarsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 14 hours ago, RandyMarsh said: Yeah I didn't know his history, just saw somebody tweet it out earlier, also I know mocks mean nothing at this point but if they are written by true insiders or true talent evaluators I think it serves a purpose to see where abouts people view talent as of now. It's obviously way too early to put any stock into them whatsoever though. With that said I do say that I wouldn't be surprised if a QB went as high as 5th, granted this is one of the weaker QB classes I can remember, atleast going by where pundits rank the best ones overall but seemingly every year there is a QB or two that ends up getting taken in the top 10 way ahead of anybody's projections. i wouldnt be surprised if multiple qbs go in the top 10. there is plenty of time for the draft hype machine to get working and willis to become the "next lamar jackson." i could even see the lions going qb at 1 or wherever they pick. also, aidan hutchinson is damn good. i know thibodeaux has been hurt and will show out in workouts, but hutchinson is playing so well im not so sure he isnt the safer pick. does he end up being someone like chris long? solid but not spectacular? whereas thibodeaux ends up like jarad allen? pure pass rush? dunno. that's above my pay grade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagnam Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 Hutch is making a case today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 1 hour ago, sagnam said: Hutch is making a case today. Hutch and Thib may be 1 and 2 off the board. After today, I'm not as sure on the order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 we were waiting to see how hutchinson would do against a top offensive line full of five stars and we saw it today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 11 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said: Hutch and Thib may be 1 and 2 off the board. After today, I'm not as sure on the order. The other thing is... If the Lions stick with the 3-4, Hutch may be the better fit. He'll need to add 10-20 pounds of muscle... Thibs might be caught as a 'tweener that they don't use effectively (too big for Outside LB'er and terrible in coverage, not big enough to set the edge or hold his ground in a 3-4). Maybe he'd be a situational pass-rusher in the Lions' scheme? But is that what we want at 1-1? Better hope that Hutch is the 2nd coming of J.J. Watts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 PS: I hate the 3-4. Where's my 4-3? Then we could fit either of them on the Lions. Or better yet, both. (Obviously we can't get both but... yeah, we definitely could use both...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 They might have to take WRs with their 2nd first round pick AND their second round pick. It's such a glaring weakness for them . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Motor City Sonics said: They might have to take WRs with their 2nd first round pick AND their second round pick. It's such a glaring weakness for them . They have so many holes it's ridiculous. And Decker is playing like he wants to be traded to another team. Another hole opens if that happens. I'd like a QB to drop to us at the Rams pick... I know everyone loses their head at the draft for QB's, but... please not this year. I'd like to at least have the option of not having to live through another season of Goff... And then we can do WR's in the 2nd and 3rd or whatever it takes. Need LB's too... in a bad way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 4 hours ago, 1984Echoes said: The other thing is... If the Lions stick with the 3-4, Hutch may be the better fit. He'll need to add 10-20 pounds of muscle... Thibs might be caught as a 'tweener that they don't use effectively (too big for Outside LB'er and terrible in coverage, not big enough to set the edge or hold his ground in a 3-4). Maybe he'd be a situational pass-rusher in the Lions' scheme? But is that what we want at 1-1? Better hope that Hutch is the 2nd coming of J.J. Watts... I feel like if he's the best pass rusher and worthy of the number 1 pick, you draft him and build your scheme around him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, Motown Bombers said: I feel like if he's the best pass rusher and worthy of the number 1 pick, you draft him and build your scheme around him. The problem is that coaches don't ever really seem to do that. If they wanna run a 3-4, they'll draft for a 3-4. And if they draft a smaller DE that really fits in a 4-3 and not so much a 3-4, will they change the scheme? Nah, they'll just try to ram the 4-3 DE into their 3-4. Or at least it seems like that's how it happens more often than the coaching staff adjusting their scheme to fit the player... Edited November 28, 2021 by 1984Echoes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, 1984Echoes said: The problem is that coaches don't ever really seem to do that. If they wanna run a 3-4, they'll draft for a 3-4. And if they draft a smaller DE that really fits in a 4-3 and not so much a 3-4, will they change the scheme? Nah, they'll just try to ram the 4-3 DE into their 3-4. Or at least it seems like that's how it happens more often than the coaching staff adjusting their scheme to fit the player... I can see a team not wanting to change a scheme to draft one player. Even if he is a stud is he really going to bring enough to balance how much it might cost you in the performance of all your existing players who were picked for fit the current scheme? Now that is a general consideration. The Lions have so few players worth anything in the front 7 it would be perfectly reasonable to pick one great player when he's available and rebuild around the scheme that best fits him. Will Holmes/Campbell see Hutchinson (or Thibs) as that guy? Edited November 28, 2021 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 A team that goes winless shouldn’t let their scheme impact any future decisions. Actually, a team that goes winless should probably change their scheme. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TP_Fan Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 It’s as clear as day to me that Hutchinson is the best player in America. He went toe to toe with 5 starts yesterday, on both the left and right side, and he absolutely dominated. He had 15 QB pressures, the most since PFF started keeping track in 2014. Take the Hutchinson and then WR with the Rams pick and our 2nd rd pick. Find a QB in the 3rd rd of this draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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