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I wouldn't put any faith in the report that the Tigers offered a lower contract. If they'd wanted to keep Candelario, they would have made it happen.

It's comical to look thru this game thread & see certain posters going completely ape shit for 3 quarters - posting 1 negative thing after another - & then go radio silent after the Brock Wright touchdown & have zero posts since.

I doubt Harris is making any personnel decisions based on fan sentiment, but it would have been a very bad look if the new administration gave a raise to a player who hit under .220 with an OPS that would be low for a utility infielder, combined with poor defense. You could even say it would be a bit tone deaf with what is currently taking place with the economy and challenges that others are going through.

Harris did not come here to save money for the owner. Why would he take a job like that? He has a budget, and he is going to spend it, but not by overpaying guys by 40%.

“This might be one of the dumbest teams I’ve ever seen.”

I changed my mind. Paying him to be the not-coordinator in New England is worth every penny.

Is it that they don’t understand how they work, or that they don’t want to understand how they work?

It’s like he has grown so accustomed to losing that a glimmer of hope makes him angry. Get off my lawn!

I was thinking about the debate we all had on the old forum prior to last season about how many players on the Lions would start on the other teams, I think the cutoff was 20 teams and I believe we only came up with 3 unamious choices in Hock, Decker. Ragnow. What would that number look like now only a year and a half later? I think on offense atleast 4 of the Oline, St. Brown, possibly Swift and/or Williams and Goff. So you're talking 6 to 8 guys. On defense its a little trickier but I think Hutch, McNeil,Okudah for sure with about 3-5 more guys as possibilities. So we essentially went from 3 to 5 plus starters to about 13 to 15 in a little over a year. Part of that was Holmes acquisitions others were guys growing under the coaching staff here but either way that is a remarkable turnaround.

game threads are places where people vent. some people have schticks they feel the need to perpetrate every game. others have obnoxious shit they feel the need to post every single day. such is the internet.

seems like a bad precendent to start just because he "might" not be electable

It's weird how my stalker has been less active after he literally LOL'd at me when I listed off a bunch of games the Lions could win and have since won.

Please tell me you trashed Shep?!?

Maybe, but I wouldn't dawel on the possibility.

Love it

This dovetails into the crux of where I am coming from on all this. For Harris to make a calculation along the lines, we expect Candelario to deliver X value—let's make it easy and say 1 WAR—for which we would gladly pay $3 million, but for which would never pay $7 million, is perfectly logical business-wise. Such a fiduciary-based calculation falls squarely within his budgeting and spending responsibilities as PBO. But for fans to say, I think Candelario will produce 1 WAR this season, and I'll be happy if the team pays only $3 million for that, but I'll be angry if the team pays $7 million instead—that's just bonkers to me. Because it's still 1 WAR either way, which would result in the same number of wins for the team, which is really all that fans care about. And since we have no way of knowing whether the other $4 million would have gone back into payroll for other, better players, I don't think we can use that as the self-evident argument to defend it, because there's no way for us to know that's what would have happened. In fact, because of the low level of money we're talking about, I believe the fairest conclusion would be that the roster would look exactly the same whether they paid Jeimer $3MM or $7MM, unless Harris were to specifically declare he took the $4MM he saved on Jeimer and got such and such another player for it, which of course he would never declare publicly. Semi-related to this: if the Harris Analytics team projected Jeimer to be only a 1 WAR player in 2023, then I totally support showing him the door, because we need more from third base—and every position, really—than 1 WAR. BUT: if Analytics projects him to be a 3 WAR player, but we let him go because they wouldn't pay $7 million for that simply because he underperformed so poorly this past season, then that would be equally bonkers. So, giving Harris the benefit of the doubt on this, I gotta conclude that they projected him to be a lot closer to 1 WAR than 3 WAR.

I love conservatives declaring why the left does something. I know if I want to know the lefts intentions I'm going to a conservative writer.

You guys are fighting on the wrong ground. Criminal referrals are coming for Trump today.

It's ba-a-a-ack ...

I see, OK. But probably not during the dark days of @jack's liberal Twitter during which bots and their human minions spewed COVID disinfo and got banned for it, to the horror of MAGAnation?

I’ve got Mike Valenti on line 2 for you

The other things (beyond Malloy and Perez) I am interested in for 2023: is Turnbull healthy and effective, is A Meadows going to provide production near pre-2022 levels and can Carpenter continue his strong 2022 play going forward. There are other things of course, but success in those cases would make for a more watchable team and some sense of moving forward on a timeline shorter than four more years of rebuild, as some have said.

One thing that continues to impress me is how many times the first option is wide open on crucial 3rd and 4th downs. This is great play design and play calling by the coaching staff. It keeps happening at least once every game.

I'll be curious to see if Justyn-Henry plays third base at Toledo. I hope so, give him 40 games there and if he is covered in bruises then you say oh well, he's a left fielder. And let's see what Wenceel Perez can do with 40 games at second base at Toledo. Is he a major league regular or not, I think that the consensus might be "not", but let's find out. Those are the two guys that I am most interested in for 2023.

Yeah I'd say he was a little open.

Considering Wright had a big drop earlier this is especially awesome!

As big a risk as they both are, they are being paid at market value. And, like Candy's deal with the Nationals, both have incentives built into their contract as well. The Tigers were in a tough spot with Candy... unlike all 29 other teams who had the opportunity to negotiate fair value for him after being non-tendered, the only real chance they had to keep him was to pay him the full monty. I can understand both sides, but ultimately baseball is a business and teams (not just the Tigers) aren't necessarily in the business of overpaying players to the tune of 40% or more over their market value. As fans, a lot of us will not get it because it ain't our money. But it's understandable why they did it and I imagine Harris knew what he was doing and knew the risks when he did it.

Nice. Here is the missed FG. Jets Miss FG.m4a

According to Kornacki, Giants have a 31% chance to make the playoffs if they lose and Washington 38%. I think Seattle is done so I think the Lions got this.

The national media is starting to speak very highly of the Detroit Lions and Dan Campbell. Good to see (and hear).

Why didn't they do that LAST week...?

They seem to be handling things well.

In a lost season, where he’s not blocking anyone, I’ll allow it. Hopefully the hyphenated, human walking machine can challenge that at some point in the season. And Schoop can finish the last half of his last season with the Tigers as utility guy.

i just hope the lions hire at least one bad coach next year so dan campbell has someone to fire in order to start a new winning streak.

Campbell and Johnson protected Goff today. He got to uncork one deep shot and underthrew Jaymo by a yard. The 4th and inches play design was genius.

They have started to add a bunch of them in the Traverse City area in the last few years . I see people on facebook and comment sections freak out about them, I love them they make traffic flow so fast thru areas that you use to have to sit at a light for 5+ minutes . OMG ITS SOMETHING NEW AND EUROPEAN IT HAS TO BE HORRIBLE!!!

I always get an aisle seat and while I don’t stand up right away I will eventually and like to prop both arms up and block the path. Casually. Make sure everyone in my row on both sides get out like I am responsible for them. last summer when flying to fort myers there was an elderly Indian lady on our flight who spoke broken English. People adopted her as their mom or grandma and made sure she got what she needed. She was getting emotional as the guy in a cart led her away. I heard her say “everyone is being so nice to me”.

BYU took two planes to their bowl game. One for the team and one for their wives. I saw two different reports. One said 25 players are married the other said 30. Either way, that is 70-80 wives they had to bring.

Cities/areas that don't salt major roads when the weather calls for icy conditions.

I saw this on YouTube today and for two seconds of my life thought that they were bringing back Frasier as a dramatic TV series.

Found the nun puppet my brother had given my mother, oh.. maybe 30 years ago. It throws a neat left hook. 🙂 She loved it, and would poke my father with it, when she felt he needed it. I’ve been laughing my butt off all morning. 😂

Revisit this post in March when the budget is actually committed and you see what it bought. At this point you're dumping on the shopper while he has just pulled into the mall parking lot. The critique may be justified by the eventual outcomes, but at this point it still just guesses about events that have yet to happen or not happen. If you are skeptical about Harris that's fine, but you could say that in one line and save the rest of the typing.