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So the Monday after Father's day my grandpa went shopping at Jos A Bank in Birmingham. Afterwards he forgot where he had parked and was wandering around looking for his car when a lady carrying a baby saw him and offered to help. After driving him around for a while without finding the car my grandpa said to just drop him off so she could take the baby home. She refused to just leave him walking around during the heat wave so she took him to her house where her husband was working from home. The husband then drove my grandpa around to look for his car, but they still couldn't find it. My grandpa had left his phone in the car so eventually they called my uncle who was able to give them the location of the car. Anyways, it turns out that it was Scott Harris and his wife who drove my grandpa around Birmingham to help him find his car.

did he find out who we were getting for Erod?

The depressing thing to me isn't Biden's slowing down itself... it's the effect it could have on voters. I personally don't care or think it has to affect his performance as older people DO slow down but their mind still works. That's what matters. Our commander in chief doesn't get on a horse and lead troops to battle. They make decisions based on advisers. Biden could be in a wheelchair with a feeding tube and non verbal and I'd vote for him over Trump. There's still no comparison. It's all in the context of the election results for me.

This campaign has been the most low energy campaign of my lifetime, most people seem to avoid the topic like the plague, but the thing I hear over and over again to the extent that the topic comes up is "is this really the best we have to offer" and "we need younger candidates" I'm sympathetic to MB's points, I think Biden and his administration have done a lot of good things in their time in office. But the job of governing and the job of running a Presidential campaign are two different things.... especially at his age he had to demonstrate that he was up to another four years, and it didn't happen last night. That's just reality.... I think we need to see what actual hard data shows, and we will get that in due time. But it's 100% legitimate to have this conversation IMO.

A lot of rumors that Lebron is sleeping with his newest teammates mother.

It has an effect on me. I don't want him to be President if he can't communicate sufficiently. It's just that the alternative is so horrible that there is no other choice for me. All it takes is to alienate a few thousand swing state voters and the election is lost.

if they want to cut salary they do. the pistons did it last year when they traded up for sasser, iirc.

Just remember, though, that we’re not voting just for the man at the top of the ticket. We’re also voting for everyone he brings into the job with him. Maybe that’s something the Democrats should spend some time highlighting.

I heard that Scott Harris had turned the organization into a player development machine. That is not a sarcastic knock against Harris. It's just that fans overrate their team's prospects all the time and there is a lot of luck involved in drafting and development. Even if you do things right. it's really hard to build a core

Tim Miller on point

The inability to push back on Donald Trump when he made mistakes is what got me. A sharper candidate could have drew blood on Donald Trump last night.

Biden could be a Weekend With Bernie corpse and I'd vote for him over scumbag Trump.

He's probably faced better lineups in the PCL.

They might as well play Ibanez full time. His split this season against RHP is terrible but for his career he is 652 which beats Kreidler or McKinstry. Likewise Canha. His career split against RHP is still a better option better than Baddoo. You don't HAVE to play bad platoon players when they are worse than the non-platoon options - it's just dumb. You don't need to play bad players to "keep guys sharp" who are no real part of your plans short or long term. It's OK to have a guy on the bench that is only going to play if lightning strikes. Or rotate guys you need on bench for emergency backfill through Toledo so they get periodic playing time. Again, no law says those guys have to get regular MLB PAs.

The other old guy will be planning a national emergency on day one if elected. These are the two choices we have. How many people in this country, and these are the two choices we have for the presidency?

Crazy stat of the night. Every 2024 second round pick has been traded at least once.

Likely every other team in baseball would have taken Tork 1-1 also, and if he was hitting and fielding like he appeared capable, you’d be fine with it.

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Just saying, 'IF' this something like the Tigers might seek, this is where adding a prospect (again NOT top 5) might help out.

Just because you keep saying it and apparently believe it to be true, doesn't mean it is in any way true. It's simply not. That's not the way the league operates relative to the draft and any impact on MLB player valuation. The Tigers could draft another first baseman at 1-1 this year and it still wouldn't signal to the rest of the league what they think of Tork. It would simply signal that based on their scouting and modeling, they felt that player was the best available in the draft. Nothing more.

Manning no hits through five innings and 87 pitches.

These are athletes, they’ve been competing their whole lives. They thrive on it or they fade away. And this is how you build a system, you accumulate a pipeline of talent where you have to compete hard for jobs, and if you’re good at it, enough will make it to field a competitive core. Most won’t make it, but you keep the pipeline coming.

I understand this is your opinion, it just has no basis in reality. It would have no effect on Tork, would not change anyone’s opinion of his value or availability, and it surely shouldn’t have any impact on draft strategy. No one cares about crap like that. Kuntz is likely a couple of years away, and if they both reach their ceilings that would be a fortuitous scenario and they’d make it work.

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Steve Kemp for Chet Lemon

Certainly the Dems aren't helping themselves with their messaging, but the media has been absolutely savage since this debate took place. And that would have happened regardless. They can't just ignore their way out of this.

thanks for sharing. I knew of it but didn't get a chance to do this. I learned of his situation a few days ago but didn't think it was yet proper to announce anything. He had a medical emergency and was unresponsive so I think the family was deciding on the best way to proceed. I found out via facebook today what the result was. His username for us was Walt. Very sad. He was a valuable member of our community. I always paid attention to what he wrote as it was top quality and he was a good family man. God Bless him and his family and friends. There is a fund for the family for anybody interested in helping. https://www.spotfund.com/story/532e04a7-3b9a-46d0-8a27-6095485004f0?created=true&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR38Kc0KHamFn5CVuyEctdjLhOIM-a4q3Kob-oviUXB-FQkHmCVAa0np3xw_aem_x9nodAhX2XWmth7LroldAw&referral_id=dce7ce10-e410-4e22-a21c-a5f03a360a9d

I will say, I think it's better for Biden to just go ahead and stutter. The non MAGA will give him a pass and be sympathetic. Having a visible disability may even endear him to some voters.

Biden won the debate by a landslide but he’s always been a very poor public speaker. This was on graphic display for the first 20 minutes and unfortunately plays into the only real question mark to his campaign, which is age and cognitive ability. You should go back and watch. Biden settled down and ended up doing very well. He absolutely destroyed Trump in the debate. Trump was horrendous. He did nothing to help himself. He lied 95% of the time and rarely answered any of the direct questions. He babbled on about how he was fantastic without offering any actual substance. Typical Don BS that we’ve grown accustomed to seeing.

In my day you could trade Frank Robinson for Milt Pappas...Ben Oglivie for Jim Slaton

This is exactly right. Anyone who put as much thought into it as the Biden debate prep team are assumed to have done knew EXACTLY all the wacky things was going to say, and it's as though the Biden team didn't game plan for any of that.

All the focus groups so far show it has little affect. What will have affect on voters is the constant bedwetting from Dems. Republicans rallied around Trump after his convictions. Dems need to put on depends after one bad debate.

Not wanting to start a new thread... Lou Whitaker gets a baseball field named after him.... https://cardinalnews.org/2024/06/28/future-baseball-all-star-lou-whitaker-grew-up-playing-in-this-martinsville-park-now-its-named-after-him/

The cspan callers, ie the pulse of the nation, is much more ambivalent on the debate than I was expecting.

Nice to see the hitters read this thread before the game.

I usually don't comment on politics but I find it amazing that we can't find better candidates in a country of over 330m than two very old guys one of whom can't answer a simple question directly because he's too busy filibustering and mud slinging the other guy and the other whom can't even form a coherent enough sentence to answer a question directly. Not to mention all the "you're the worst, no YOU'RE the worst" stuff without coming up with actual solutions for how they plan on improving on the failed regime of his opponent. Scary and especially in Biden's case, his quick decline is very concerning already so how is he going to handle 4 more years?

JHM...the guy who is only here because of his hit tool, has a lower OPS than Zach McKinstry.

Problem solved.

McCosky is going to cream his shorts.

Joe Biden has about 40 minutes to figure out how to keep the entire planet from bailing on him.

Ha!

Skubal for Castro, but maybe there’s some gap to fill in?

Pitching his guts out.

I want to apologize in advance to the board. I will be in attendance tonight so they will lose. I go every year they are in town and it’s been six years since I have seen a victory. Fingers crossed 🤞

Biden's campaign released a pre-debate ad a day or two ago which hit the theme of "I'm fighting for you, Trump is fighting for himself".... so a safe bet that's the direction they are looking to go in.

Trading Skubal, without knowing what you’d get in return, doesn’t signal anything. Most casual fans, which comprise the majority, would not care about it after a week, if at all. Sure Tigers Twitter might freak out, but who cares. Here’s a few realities: -A starting pitcher can only impact 20% of the games a team plays. -They are prone to injury. -Skubal is only controlled for two more seasons and has Boras as his agent. He will become a free agent. -He strikes me as someone competitive who will place a premium on a winning culture (admittedly a guess here). -There is a strong likelihood that he will be on a different team in 2027. So how does trading him set this team back 5 years, if he’s likely gone in 3? I personally like having him on the team, but given all of the deficiencies we have throughout the organization, if he nets a haul from a team who is thinking playoffs and has depth to move, we’d need to be receptive. He’s not a distressed player, so absolutely no reason to give him away, but trading him would also not doom this organization long term. If done properly, it might actually accelerate our competitiveness.

The best thing to happen during the Randy Smith era was Juan Gonzalez turning down his 8 year/ $140 million offer at the start of the 2000 season. Terrible decision by Juan, great for the Tigers. 2nd best move was trading Greg Gohr for Damion Easley. But then he gave Easley a big contract extension and we ended up eating most of that. None of his other moves really came out to the Tigers' advantage. Terrible GM.

Smith was worse. Year after year after year of terrible draft picks and pointless trades. I think Avila had a plan and stuck with it, but ws bad at executing it. Smith didn't even have a plan.