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I doubt these costs would go down if salaries went down. Now that they know fans (at least the wealthy ones) are willing to pay those prices, they'll never lower them.

Prices reflect what people are willing to pay. Baseball is still a cheap option, especially relative to the other 3 pro sports.

I'm looking forward to his return too, but it feels like you might as well just hold him back until a true must-win, because he's only going to be good for maybe 40 snaps before getting injured again. Maybe this qualifies as a true must-win though.

Darrell Evans Bill Freehan Milt Wilcox Tony Phillips

If you had to pick the best Tiger moment from 2016-2020.... it would be his HR off Chris Sale.

There will not be an extended work stoppage. The thing players want (more money) can’t really be mandated by rules without completely upending the current system, and these people aren’t smart enough to agree on a system that would satisfy anyone. So at most they are getting an increase in league minimum and some minor adjustment to earning free agency. Owners want to keep making tons of money, which they already are. They can all afford to spend big if they want to, so all a cap does is help the richest teams make higher profits. But no one wants to lose a season. there just is not enough to gain for either party at this point.

which is exactly what drives so much of the risk. You only have the capability to make the trip on closest approach and if something goes wrong and say you miss the return window, you are dead. Magellan's crew could fish, find land and kill wild boar to stay alive if they had to rebuild a broken mast.

It was one reason why management at NASA didn't push too hard for more funding. As much fun and cool it was to land on the moon, it was very costly and they knew it was just a matter of time before someone died doing it, let alone failed like Apollo 13. Every mission had severe points that could have been a disaster. I could list them all right now. We just need to see what happened with the Shuttle program. It's statistics. I've watched videos describing how a Mars misssion would work and there's still issues with fuel and weight. For scale purposes... a standard schoolroom globe. The moon is a volleyball. The space station is currently about a cm above the globe. The volleyball moon is 17 feet away. Mars is a few miles away. (the distance to Mars is not absolute as we are in different size orbits around the sun and there's advantages/disadvantages to picking the right time to go).

I do get this part. I know some of the complaints on Holl are joking... although not all of them (I don't know who is joking and who is serious in their dislike of Holl... I don't read people well enough to get that distinction...) Don't feel bad. I wasn't so much picking on you as I really wanted to vent on Holl. I've always liked him. And I understand his abilities/ weaknesses so it's not like I'm pushing him to be 1st or 2nd pair... I just like him as that 3rd pair vet that allows an offensive/ young guy to be matched up with him. So I wanted to make it known the full extent of my Holl support. Thank you, sloth!!! 😁

this is top notch

Interesting look at the costs of living put in different terms. In the end I think he's naive about the solution, if that's what he thinks it is, but interesting just the same. It Works, If You Work It. For our economy to provide a nice life for all we will need structural reform. How bad is it? This bad.

Par for the course. Hegseth is exactly the disgrace we all knew he would be. I don't how any of our vets can look at the "leadership" Trump has in place at DOD and not despair for their services.

I'm sorry... but I disagree with this sentiment. Holl, 2019-22: +58 +/- (4 years, all with Toronto = +14.5 average) Detroit 2023: +8 in 38 games (+16 pace) Detroit 2024: -7 in 73 games. Not good, but not atrocious either. 33 years old. Maybe a bad year. Maybe age. But he's been a good defensive defenseman for a long time, including for Detroit in 2023. Seems like a good (vet, experience) 3rd pairing guy... to me. Hamonic, 2021-24: -25 +/- (4 years = -6 average), 35 years old. This year: -9 in 14 games. Ouch. Atrocious! Chiarot, 2020-24: -79 +/- (5 years = -16 average), 34 years old. Ouch. Atrocious! This year: +3 in 23 games. Mostly as a 2nd pairing... Not bad. My first question is: Why is Chiarot looked at as a 1st/2nd pairing guy who is really good? For the Wings. Seems like a 3rd pairing guy and that is IT. I don't want him on the top pairing... Although I do think he is a good guy to pair up with ASP because ASP needs a vet presence next to him (IMO), and as a lighter D, I like heavy-Chiarot as his partner... I can live with that. But why is Holl looked at as some kind of abomination? I think that's completely ridiculous and I just don't understand you guys. It's not just you SFK, everyone on here holds the same sentiment. And I don't get it. I've WATCHED him. And it seems like every time I am watching him he makes positive plays for the team. he's not perfect, he makes mistakes, but very few as I've watched him... And maybe he's an old 33... But still don't understand such negative sentiment on Holl. He's certainly NOT worse than Hamonic, and he's been more of a positive on this team than Chiarot (as a 3rd pair D where Chiarot was definitely miscast, although forced into being... the top pair D.. I do understand that...) I WANT Holl as a 3rd pair D. I think he's the same quality vet D guy, same as Chiarot, that I want matched up with a Johansson, or a Wallinder (if he EVER gets up here to Detroit...). Neither are 1st or 2nd pair D. Unless matched up with a rookie or other young guy on the 2nd pair that needs a steady partner to talk/help them get through NHL play. IMO. I don't get the abject hatred of Holl. It just doesn't make sense to me. Just my 2 cents. (EDIT: Fixed a bunch of grammar/keying errors...)

From the Athletic, it sounds like Tatsuya Imai wants to carve out his own place apart from the Dodgers. “Of course, I’d enjoy playing alongside Ohtani, Yamamoto and Sasaki,” Imai told the former Boston Red Sox and New York Mets starter, “But winning against a team like that and becoming a World Champion would be the most valuable thing in my life. If anything, I’d rather take them down.” “If there were another Japanese player on the same team, I could just ask them about anything, right?” Imai said. “But that’s actually not what I’m looking for. In a way, I want to experience that sense of survival. When I come face-to-face with cultural differences, I want to see how I can overcome them on my own — that’s part of what I’m excited about.” Maybe Harris will make a push for him?

I probably should have thought twice before going on leave while the holiday and medicare advantage commercials are in full swing. Oh well. My surgery went well, and except for discovering that it was easier to learn to get around using a good left leg than a good right leg, recovery should go okay too. There was just that scary part when I fell off the scooter because the nerve block hadn't wrong off yet. Oops.

Contracts are getting extreme, but the teams giving them away don't seem to be losing money yet - the teams that can't afford those contracts so far have been disciplined about not giving them away. The net result is that there probably are not enough teams under enough financial duress right now to make the owners dig in their heels about claw backs, which would be one thing that would drive to a strike. The other possibility is that the majority of owners gang up on NY/LA and demand the system be made more equitable - that would probably also set off the players because it would almost certainly involve some kind of cap - which they won't accept even if a more equitable $ distribution across the league would almost certainly be in the players' long term interest. But OTOH, the other owners have had a 100 yrs to do that and never have.

People have been complaining about baseball salaries for over 100 years. A famous Babe Ruth quote was when he was asked if he was aware that he was making more than the President of The United States. "I had a better year." was his reply. Or...as the legend goes...

Everyone said that five years ago, too. They played an entire season. Nothing really changed. They even agreed to later consider canceling the qualifying offer system in exchange for international draft. But players I think secretly like the QO so that was never going to happen.

The pinch hit HR coming back from injury? I agree, that was electric.

And for @VegasTiger

Tettleton and Phillips are good choices. They would have been appreciated more today, but they had skills which weren't recognized so much at the time. They were better players than the more popular Cecil Fielder. Fielder's first year with the Tigers was magical, but after that, he was in the words of Bill James "a big fat guy who hit home runs and struck out a lot."

I saw a reel that pointed out that Cheap Trick was offered either The Flame or Look Away. "Pick one of these, the other I'm going to give to Chicago" was the direction. I was 15 at the time and spent many nights at the skating rink the summer of '88 hearing that over and over again. Thanks for the suggestion. I am going to try that now.

Put Live at Budokan on with headphones and listen with no distractions. Try to find the Full Concert version if you don't want to listen to the YouTube video I’ll link below. Usually a bands most popular songs are my least favorite and I’ll skip them every time (I’m looking at you “Dream On” and “Rock N Roll All Night”) But I never skip the live version of “I Want You To Want Me” because the girls singing the echo “crying crying crying” gives me chills. Its just mind blowing how loud and into it they were. They were relatively unknown in the US but Japan loved them. That album was never supposed to see the light of day outside Japan.

Mickey Tettleton is also way up there at 135, tied with Roy Cullenbine, who was Mr. OBP before anyone thought that was even a thing.

When you are dealing with money discord amongst the wealthiest of people, greed/control/power typically trumps reason. I see a long stoppage. Hope I am wrong

JD Martinez - 147 OPS+ is 4th best in Tigers history behind Cobb (171), Greenberg (161), Heilmann (149)

This idea that a work stoppage should be short assumes a level of human rationality that’s not on display right now to any significant degree, hardly anywhere in this country. It seems like the stakes should be so high that the two sides can agree on who gets screwed in the deal and that will be the basis of an agreement.

Indiana got a good look out if the time out but missed the three. Pistons at the line with 5 seconds left.

We're in a dark place when we're pining for Justin Holl in the lineup

Yeah, it's really easy to hate them after that. And it's hard to imagine fewer than two teams getting in the playoffs from NFC West, I certainly don't want to see a third.

well, maybe the outline of a concept of a plan.

Sounds like a concept of a plan.

So much for the Hire the Most ****able-Looking Candidate strategy.

I have it on good authority that Harris follows the advice on this forum. I will blame you when Skubal leaves for a comp draft pick that turns out to be Christian Stewart's lesser athletic cousin

Just get rid of the K-balls.

That’s kind of fun. Is Texas interested in any of Detroit’s 14 different 2B options? Maybe some pitching for Keith?

The person or persons responsible for mobility-search dot com need to be found and executed. Money should be charged to witness it. I'd buy a ticket. And people that use computers to scam older people out of money should have their fingers cut off.

He was arguably the Tigers best third baseman ever.

Or chose not to do because its easier to hate the foreigner.

What the living hell?