Mr.TaterSalad Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 I woulda done that trade. Oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 8 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: I woulda done that trade. Oh well. I may have too but considering the Bears are likely going to be picking in the 30s in the 2nd round and us in the 50s we'd have to give up more than that to get Washington to take our offer over theirs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TP_Fan Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Why are the bears buying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, TP_Fan said: Why are the bears buying? GM and HC know they can't sell another rebuild. They are supposed to be winning if they want to be employed next year. The next regime won't appreciate though I'm sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 minute ago, TP_Fan said: Why are the bears buying? They need to hype the sale of their racetrack property in Arlington Heights in order to fleece Naperville into giving them a stadium Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRamage Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Bears trade a 2nd for a half-a-season rental on Montez Sweat‽‽ I don't understand that move. Do they think this move will give them a shot at the playoffs? Or is this hoping they'll be able to resign Sweat before he hit free agency? https://www.profootballrumors.com/2023/10/bears-to-acquire-de-montez-sweat-from-commanders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRamage Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Sports_Freak said: But at what price? Multiple first round picks for the next few seasons? I don't see Holmes doing it but....you never know. How about our 2nd round pick for the next 5 years? I mean, it's not like we're doing anything with them, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRamage Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 21 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: I woulda done that trade. Oh well. I don't know if I would have done that deal... I guess it depends on if Sweat seemed interested in an extension. I'd hate to pick up a high(ish) pick for half a season. On the other hand if it was a 2nd round pick... we know our history of those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRamage Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 I have a Bears fan co-worker (he's native from Chicago). He mentioned that the scuttlebutt is that the Bears are looking trying to acquire players on the last year of their deal and use the remainder of this season to sign them to longer term deal because they have a lot of cap space going into 2024. I mean, yeah, this gives them a certain period of time to exclusively negotiate. But if, as a bad team, you were going to throw enough money at the player to lure them to Chicago anyway, why not do that in the off season? Why give up draft capital to do it now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) The irony of trading ‘24 draft picks, is that Detroit hosts the draft next year. Would be a bummer for the local fans, though I suspect we’ll hold on to our 1st and 2nd rounders. Edited October 31, 2023 by Tenacious D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4hzglory Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 7 minutes ago, RedRamage said: I don't know if I would have done that deal... I guess it depends on if Sweat seemed interested in an extension. I'd hate to pick up a high(ish) pick for half a season. On the other hand if it was a 2nd round pick... we know our history of those. Like LaPorta and Branch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 7 minutes ago, 4hzglory said: Like LaPorta and Branch? I think he means like Levi and Paschal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYLion Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 57 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: I woulda done that trade. Oh well. You would have traded a 1st for Sweat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, NYLion said: You would have traded a 1st for Sweat? Montez Sweat was traded for a 1st round pick? I would have considered trading our 1st for Sweat if we knew we could sign him here long-term. Any DE we draft at the back end of the 1st round we would hope would be as good as Sweat. So I wouldn't have been completely opposed to doing a back end 1st round pick for Sweat. But Chicago didn't give up a 1st, they gave up a 2nd. So for us that would either mean giving up our back end 1st round pick or possibly a 2nd + a pick. Edited October 31, 2023 by Mr.TaterSalad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYLion Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: Montez Sweat was traded for a 1st round pick? The Bears traded what will be very high 2nd for him so how else do you expect the Lions to beat that offer? I guess they could have offered a 2nd+later of the two 3rds, would you have done that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, NYLion said: The Bears traded what will be very high 2nd for him so how else do you expect the Lions to beat that offer? I guess they could have offered a 2nd+later of the two 3rds, would you have done that? A few things here. First, as I said previously in this thread, I don't think Holmes is going to make a move that involves giving up high/higher end draft capital (a 1st or a 2nd). I think he likes having picks that he can play with come draft time. I think, given that we are in a win-now mode, that is partially a mistake, and we should look to make a move now. Montez Sweat would have been the perfect move as far as need, scheme fit, and cost it require to trade for him. Now, a question for you. Our 1st round pick, if we end up winning the division and win a playoff game, is likely to be around pick 25 or later. Assuming we drafted a defensive player with our 1st round pick, at 25 or later, would you expect that player to better than, worse than, or about the same as Montez Sweat is now? Sweat is on pace for a double-digit sack season with 6.5 sacks already. Plus he has 32 tackles, 10 tackles for loss, and 2 forced fumbles. He also just turned 27, so you would assume he has another 4-5 good years to give in his career. I would expect that player we draft at pick 25 or later to be about the same caliber player or maybe, slightly worse, than Sweat is now. So I would trade a back end 1st for Sweat to top what the Bears did, assuming we could get him under team control for the next 4-5 seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRamage Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, 4hzglory said: Like LaPorta and Branch? Shhhh.... let me live in my world where all 2nd round picks are failures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 I’m terrified. /s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYLion Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: A few things here. First, as I said previously in this thread, I don't think Holmes is going to make a move that involves giving up high/higher end draft capital (a 1st or a 2nd). I think he likes having picks that he can play with come draft time. I think, given that we are in a win-now mode, that is partially a mistake, and we should look to make a move now. Montez Sweat would have been the perfect move as far as need, scheme fit, and cost it require to trade for him. Now, a question for you. Our 1st round pick, if we end up winning the division and win a playoff game, is likely to be around pick 25 or later. Assuming we drafted a defensive player with our 1st round pick, at 25 or later, would you expect that player to better than, worse than, or about the same as Montez Sweat is now? Sweat is on pace for a double-digit sack season with 6.5 sacks already. Plus he has 32 tackles, 10 tackles for loss, and 2 forced fumbles. He also just turned 27, so you would assume he has another 4-5 good years to give in his career. I would expect that player we draft at pick 25 or later to be about the same caliber player or maybe, slightly worse, than Sweat is now. So I would trade a back end 1st for Sweat to top what the Bears did, assuming we could get him under team control for the next 4-5 seasons. I'm a fan of Sweat, I brought him up in the GDT as a realistic target but that's when I thought it would cost a 3rd. Seeing that the Bears gave up what is almost a 1st for him, I realized how unrealistic it was for the Lions. It also illustrates my other fear that this is a sellers market because there are so few sellers and plenty of buyers. Little did I know, however, that the Bears would be one of the buyers. It's not just about whether the draft pick turns out to be as good as Sweat. It's also about cap management. You're giving up 5 years of cheap contract high upside for a 28 year old player that's going to command big money when the Lions have a lot of key guys due for enormous raises in the next 2-3 years starting this offseason with Jonah and that's assuming that you get Sweat locked up as he could just as easily test the market. I just think a 1st, even a late one, would have been too rich. I'm aiming higher and for a player with term if I'm parting with a 1st. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Young to the Niners. Grr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 This is one I’ll worry will bite us in the ass for not doing ourselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 WHAT THE HELL ARE WE DOING? We could have had CHASE YOUNG for a mid round pick!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 It’s a 3rd going from the Niners to the Commies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIguy Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Is this the right time to comment as if we know better than Brad as to what moves the Lions should be making? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) Ken Holland, it's the whole we like our team, we have a great culture approach. I only kid. I'm just having a little fun. I still love Brad Holmes and believe in him very much. I still like the direction of this franchise and what the front office is doing. I just get a bit frustrated when all the other players of the NFC are making moves and we aren't keeping up with them when our window is open to win now and make a Super Bowl. Edited October 31, 2023 by Mr.TaterSalad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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