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You are disappointed with Greene? A 23-year old posting a 135 OPS+? Tough critic.

My wife and I were in attendance last night for a game between the Birmingham Barons and the Montgomery Biscuits. The game was played at Rickwood Field. Between innings about half way through the game the PA announcer delivered the news of Willie’s passing. We traveled about nine hours to attend that game because for years I had wanted to attend a game at Rickwood because Mays had played there in the Negro Leagues. I couldn’t believe I learned of his death while sitting in the park I had always associated with him. Say Hey Willie!

Rickey said Rickey was the greatest of all time, so let's go with what Rickey said about Rickey.

I'll confess that I haven't looked at this stats lately... I just assumed because the Tigers were stinking he wasn't doing so hot either. If he's really has a 135+ that's not bad at all and I withdraw my condemnation of Greene.

Thank God, Monty was the worst thing to ever happen to the Pistons. He had no interest in being here and coached like it. I gotta say about Gores, he might make the wrong personnel decisions time after time but the guy does what it takes with his resources to try to win at least. There are plenty of owners that wouldn't have footed the bill to rid of this coach but Gores did so credit to him for that. Now lets try to get it right this time, Kenny Atkinson would be my choice.

I was a huge fan in 1984, and had been for about 10 years so i followed as most of that team as they came up thorugh the minors. I subscribed to The Sporting News and Baseball Digest and bought a bunch of preseason mags like Streets and Smiths. It seemed like they were due for a divisional title, they were pretty good in 82 and 83 but from the start they exceded everyones expectations. I wasn't old enough to remember the last ttime they had been in the playoffs so 84 was the first time going through that for me. The rest of the Detroit sports teams were horrible during this era too. I enlisted in the Army after HS and went to basic on October 4, so i missed the entire playoff run. And the first few weeks in basic you aren't even allowed to read newspapers, so the only way i could follow them was looking at the front page of the USA Today at the PX as we walked by. My friends recorded it for me and so i was able to see the games later on.

Toledo L 5-4 Final after 6 innings Meadows 2/3 2RBI 2B Tork 0/3 Jung 1/3 RBI 2B Dingler 0/3 Leonard 2/3 RBI HR Bigbie 1/1 BB 2B Madden 1.2IP 4H 5ER 3BB 3K Erie L 6-1 Lee 1/4 SB Workman 0/3 BB K Hill 2IP 1ER 4K H WM L 4-2 Anderson 2/3 BB Campos 0/4 K Gold 0/3 BB Jobe 2IP 2H BB K 2ER Lakeland L 6-5 in 10 McGonigle 2/5 K Clark 2/4 2B RBI (Since 5/1 .290/.377/.406 with a 12.6 BB% and 17.6 K% wRC+ 129) Gil 1/5 2RBI 2B Campbell 0/5 Castillo 5IP 6H ER 2BB 5K (Don't be surprised to see him start to climb up prospect ranks) FCL L 8-7 Santana 0/2 BB Sequera 2/3 3RBI BB K HR Hernandez 0/3 K Salas 1/4 RBI K Pacheco 1IP H ER

So, I was watching the Tigers/Astros game Saturday where they featured a group of guys that travel to a game together every year and I immediately thought, hmm I wonder if those guys are from that MotownSports forum I used to frequent. I clicked on the bookmark I had saved and it sent me to some gambling site. I thought, holy Pete Rose, this isn't the place. So I used my limited tech skills and searched for y'all. Here we are. Been a while eh? What's new? 😏

In our defense, it’s not like we’re the Chicago White Sox, but that’s not bunch of defense. This is really pitiful.

wtf are the capitals doing?

So let me get this straight. 13 runs on Saturday and 5 home runs. Then the next 4 games, no more than 1 run with only 3 extra base hits and no home runs. it's enough to keep me up nights. Can't believe the team is worse now without Baez, as well.

73 games played so far (not including the current game)... 7 times they've been shut out. Looking very much like it might be 8 after today. 12 times they only scored 1 run. A "Quality Start" is the starting pitcher going at least 6 innings and giving up 3 runs or less. Well, in 73 games our boys have scored 3 runs or less in 9 innings 33 times. 45% of the time if the starting pitcher just got through the 6th inning it was an automatic quality start and probably many of the other 55% of games were also "quality start"-worthy with us only edging above 3 runs in the later innings. Any excitement I had for the team in spring is just completely gone at this point. I wasn't expecting a WS contending team, but I was hoping for at least a step forward. This year the offense is as bad as ever and the young hitters that we hoped would mature (Tork and Greene) haven't. I'm not saying "blow it up" yet, but I'm dang close to it. At this point I wouldn't really be opposed to trading Skubal because I don't think we'll be seriously contending again until here's on the down slope of his career.

It always struck me that Weaver had no real idea how to construct an NBA team for the current game. The pistons as a group have just been a collection of misfit toys, or to be really generous, a team built for a completely different era. And once you add Monty doing nothing to put the pieces he had together into anything like an optimum configuration, you have what we got! Before you can decide what pieces you may have, management first has to have a concept of what the team they want to build should look like. If Langdon has that he's already way ahead of Weaver.

In 12 months the Pistons have fired two different CoY winners, one of them won it twice.

Article in the Free Press this morning showed how bad the Tigers SS are doing this season offensively. The absolutely worst in history and it's not even close.

I'm shocked they did it but it seems like the right move for sure. Didn't they have to cut Hayes just so Monty would stop giving him so much run time? It seemed like his rotations were a mess and I don't even know basketball.

How about we blame the unified reich for the unified reich?

Stubborn and...thankfully... gone

I wasn't happy when they hired him. Him and Weaver both deserved to be fired. But I do agree the roster is hot garbage. Poor coaching, a poor fit, none of that matters if you have some talent on the roster. You can still win 30+ games under those conditions. When you lose this many games it is all about a lack of talent.

Earlier in the thread, a few pages back, people were talking about damage done to the Democratic Party. When I think of damage done to an entire generation by a Democrat, I typically think of Bubba and not Bernie Sanders. It was Bubba's era of banking deregulations led to the 2008 Great Derivatives Crisis when he replead Glass-Steegall and replaced it with Gramm-Leach-Bliley. It was Bubba who deregulated the derivatives market in the first place when he signed the Commodity Futures Modernization Act. Bubba supported legislation, like the Riegle-Neal Interstate Banking and Branching Efficiency Act that saw the closure of thousands of community banks and brought on a wave of destructive consolidation in the banking industry. It was Bubba's era of media deregulation led to the rise of Fox News and the far right media ecosphere. When Bubba signed into law the Telecommunications Act of 1996 that deregulated the airwaves, killed local radio as we know it, and gave rise to the right wing media empire. This act has directly led to more of the political polarization that we live in today. Bubba's trade policies like NAFTA and CAFTA, as well as normalizing trade status with China, decimated good-paying, union, manufacturing jobs across the country. NAFTA devastated manufacturing jobs with some job loss estimates as high as 700,000 jobs. Granting China permanent normalized trade status was always a big mistake, as it is a mistake to trade with any low wage country, and has resulted in job loss estimates into the millions. Bubba was a bigot and homophobic as well. His policies discriminated against the LGBTQ+ community and he worked against marriage equality for LGBTQ+ individuals with his signing of DOMA. As well, Bubba took a bigoted stance on people who are openly LGBTQ+ serving their country in the military with his support for Don't Ask, Don't Tell. Bubba also doubled the extreme rate of poverty in America by gutting AFDC and other social welfare programs and replacing them with TANF. The extreme rate of people in poverty more than doubled in the year after Aid for Families With Dependant Children was replaced by the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program. Mass incarceration and the prison population exploded because of Bubba's tough on crime policies. The famous 1994 crime bill and Bubba's bragging about putting 100,000 new cops on the street helped to increase the incarceration rate in the Untied States and cause an already exploding prison system to grow exponentially more in the years since it passed.

The Alaskan Assassin with another confirmed kill!

Go get Kenny Atkinson or Chris Quinn.

I bet the ticket office phone is ringing off the hook this morning.

On the flip side, even a bad owner only needs to make one good hire - if that was Langdon, good for us.

C - Rogers and Kelly are both elite defenders, and Kelly is somehow league average at the plate. Dingler is having his best season and if he is a successful ML player, he would look just like them. Cubs, Padres have awful Cs so maybe there's a deal to be done. Canha - some value here; I assume they can get more than Holub in return Urshela - like Canha but a whole lot less Flaherty - like He-who-will-not-be-named, Harris again has the #1 short term pitcher to trade. Don't eff it up. Foley - sure why not? it's not working, so everything and everybody should be considered, no matter how much risk it is

Gores is not a good owner; if he was one, Monty would not have been HC; but very few owners would eat $65M and suffer the embarrassment of this move; so good for Gores

I don't know anything about the Pistons anymore but in my amateur opinion when a guy doesn't want to coach and you throw that kind of money at him to have to entice him... his heart won't be in it. And from what I read here and on twitter it sure seemed like it.

KLaw 11. Detroit Tigers: Konnor Griffin, OF, Jackson (Miss.) Prep - Griffin is the high-ceiling, high-risk guy among the prep players and could still end up in the top 10. I also think the Tigers would be on Rainer or Montgomery, depending on who gets here.

FG had 6 50-level guys traded; does not include Cole Ragans who has been fantastic for KC who got him in early July. Avila's 2nd best trade was a little move for Olson. Need good scouts so you can get lucky sometimes. https://blogs.fangraphs.com/ranking-the-prospects-traded-during-the-2023-deadline/

I definitely think Goff's intelligence is his most underrated quality. He clearly isn't the best QB under pressure although that is most QB's in the league. So much in this league there are are just circumstances (and luck) on how successful a player becomes because there are just so many moving pieces. There are definitely players like Barry and Calvin that will succeed in all situations on pure talent although a lot of the time in the NFL there are players that would of been a lot more successful in different situations. Probably more than any other sport and especially for a QB. We can debate about who was more at fault with the break up of McVay and Goff. I would put more blame on management in these situations because that is your job. Your paid millions, not for your athletic ability but to bring out the best in your players and put them in the best situation to succeed (especially the QB). Now sometimes a player fits better with a certain coach. I think that was the case with both Stafford and Goff. This is one of those trades that I think worked perfectly for both teams. Maybe the Rams gave up a lot for the future although they won a championship and this wasn't a team that was on the up. They needed to win then because a lot of their talent wasn't go to be around for much longer. For the Lions (forget the draft picks for a second), I just don't think Stafford was ready for another regime change and even though they finally got it right it would of been very hard for him to go through that first Campbell/Holmes year without checking out. Goff was motivated and a lot younger so he was willing to listen and learn from the coaching staff. Just a good trade for everyone.

They're wasting good pitching.

It would be the 6th time in 12 games they scored 1 run or less.

As badly as he started he only gave up 2 to a good offense plus the added outs he had to get because of some poor defense, so I don’t take this start as a step back.

I think I was agreeing with you. If JHM doesn't hit, he has no other value.

RIP Willie Mays

I hear the beat writers say that Meadows will replace Baddoo this weekend. That makes sense. I'm willing to give JHM more time but he has a long way to go.

Competition is fierce.

Maybe, but there are probably 20 other candidates for that.

Jobe at WM tonight: 2IP, 2H, 2R, 1BB, 1K, 29 pitches and he's done.

I was bummed when I visited a few years ago and realized that awesome looking building was his.

We can trade Flahtery and sign him next winter. It’s a rare thing but possible.

no, to the contrary, I define 1st level smart guy as the guy who is above average but just not enough to overcome the structural disadvantage of trying to operate in a 'sustainable' manner in an MLB mid-market, which is the maybe the toughest assignment in US sports management. So the way I would put it, is that if you have found Theo Epstein V2.0, I sort of expect him to be extra-ordinary enough that he'd have already pulled a rabbit or two out of his hat, and that's what I don't see yet, so at this point I can't be real excited about slow and steady because in the end I don't think slow and steady is going to be enough to ever get 'there' which is an ever receding target you have to move fast to catch up with. Now 12mo from now if Jobe, McGonigle and Clark are all knocking at the door, Tork and Partker has been coached up and found their swings, Casey Mize has regained at least mid-level breaking ball command, and a successful Flaherty has been signed instead of traded, I'll consider that a fine fluffle of little rodents.

That is a problem and a reason I don't like deadline selling. However, I am still hoping that Flaherty is good enough this year where they can get something of real value. If not, I hope they extend him.

I have always wondered about the saying "speed and defense don't go into slumps". A good defensive player could go into a slump if he goes through a period when he's not concentrating. I think we have see that with Baez. Kinsler was another one. He would go through most of the year doing everything right and then he'd make a series of bonehead baserunning or defensive plays.

I’m not a Tigers fan. I’ve just been trolling myself for the last 40 years.

I ordered it, but haven't started reading yet. It is next on my list. I got a chance to chat with the author Tom Gage on the phone recently about another book he is writing. He wanted my opinion on a statistical formula he was using to rank players. He was very humble. He said he was sorry to bother me and glad that I remembered him. Really? Gage is a Detroit media legend.