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13 hours ago, 1984Echoes said:

I think you guys are also making a MAJOR mistake thinking we can just let Jonah walk...

I don't think he will be "OVER"-priced...

I think he will be an affordable sign for the Lions. He's not a top 10 Guard in the NFL. His PFF grade for 2023-24 was the 60th Guard. Even if there is context in there and he's a better guard than that... I don't think he's breaking the bank.

He's more valuable than Ceedy Duce. He was critical to our best O-line play, as any substitute performed well below him.

If his AAV is $10-12 mill per year... and I think it ends up closer to $10 mill than $12 mill...

Then he is my #1 priority keeper re-sign.

There are other areas to save money on this team. O-Line isn't one of them. 

Just my 2 cents.

I think he'll get more on the open market and the Lions can't afford to sign a guard for top 10 guard money, which is what Jonah will likely get, with Ragnow and Decker getting top dollar and Sewell soon to be the highest paid tackle in the league (and rightfully so).

I thought the offensive line looked fine with Jonah out. Re-sign Glasgow at a reasonable rate and have a rotation of young guys (Awoslka, Sorsdal, draft pick) at the other guard spot and sign a vet for depth. 

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4 minutes ago, NYLion said:

I think he'll get more on the open market and the Lions can't afford to sign a guard for top 10 guard money, which is what Jonah will likely get, with Ragnow and Decker getting top dollar and Sewell soon to be the highest paid tackle in the league (and rightfully so).

I thought the offensive line looked fine with Jonah out. Re-sign Glasgow at a reasonable rate and have a rotation of young guys (Awoslka, Sorsdal, draft pick) at the other guard spot and sign a vet for depth. 

Ragnow is getting injured often.

When he's out 6 games next year, what's the backup plan?

Interior line of Awosika-Glasgow-Sorsdal?

Sorry... but that doesn't give me any comfort level whatsoever.

Can't afford Jonah is bull****. IMO.

He won't get top 10 guard money... that's BS.

The O-Line is the ENGINE of this team.

**** up the O-Line and we **** up our Super Bowl chances.

Sorry, but I'm overruling you.

Of all of our Free Agents this year: Jonah Jackson is our priority re-sign #1.

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28 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

Ragnow is getting injured often.

When he's out 6 games next year, what's the backup plan?

Interior line of Awosika-Glasgow-Sorsdal?

Sorry... but that doesn't give me any comfort level whatsoever.

Can't afford Jonah is bull****. IMO.

He won't get top 10 guard money... that's BS.

The O-Line is the ENGINE of this team.

**** up the O-Line and we **** up our Super Bowl chances.

Sorry, but I'm overruling you.

Of all of our Free Agents this year: Jonah Jackson is our priority re-sign #1.

Losing Jonah is not going to **** up the offensive line. He is NOT the engine of that line, the tackles and Ragnow have been. Glasgow was better than Jonah last season for long stretches, Awosika looked solid too. There's also the draft.

Ragnow has missed 3 total games the last 2 seasons so... You talk about Frank missing a bunch of games yet Jonah was the one who has been absent the most, missing 9 games to Ragnow's 3 and that's not including the playoffs when he was out of the lineup against SF.

You can get angry and combative all you want but the reality is that quality players get paid on the free agent market, overpays happen all the time. Laken Tomlinson just got 3 years $40m, you don't think Jonah could get that on the open market? It's possible that he won't but you can't simply just dismiss the possibility just because YOU say so. The free agent market has proven that somebody could very well pay him top 10 guard money.

We'll just agree to disagree. You think the line will fall apart without him, I don't. If he comes back at a discounted rate then I'm all for re-signing him but if he commands top 10 guard money then I'm letting him walk. I think it's 50/50.

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There was a big drop off from Jackson. I think Awosika improved during his stint replacing Jackson but there is still a marked difference. 

That said, there are several other guards in line to get paid. I don’t know their injury history, but Jackson has missed nine games over two seasons. That will not help his market. Also, as someone pointed out (MB?) Detroit will give him his best chance at a Super Bowl.

This article (take it for what it’s worth) suggests a one year prove it deal, $3.5 million, $2 million guaranteed. Thid might not be the year Jonah breaks the bank.  https://atozsports.com/detroit/can-lions-keep-jonah-jackson/#gid=ci02d58c194000278d&pid=usatsi_20838711 

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2 hours ago, NYLion said:

... You can get angry and combative all you want but ...

I'm not angry or combative at all.

I just think it's BS that he's going to get a top 10 Guard contract.

Am I not allowed to say that?

 

Oh yeah... This:

1 hour ago, Jason_R said:

There was a big drop off from Jackson. I think Awosika improved during his stint replacing Jackson but there is still a marked difference. ...Jackson has missed nine games over two seasons. That will not help his market. ... This article (take it for what it’s worth) suggests a one year prove it deal, $3.5 million, $2 million guaranteed. This might not be the year Jonah breaks the bank.  https://atozsports.com/detroit/can-lions-keep-jonah-jackson/#gid=ci02d58c194000278d&pid=usatsi_20838711 

 

And this too:

7 hours ago, RandyMarsh said:

Pff only had him as like the 70th or 80th best FA with atleast a half dozen interior lineman ahead of him, also projected his yearly cap hit to be around 8 million so atleast in their views he isn't going to cost a fortune.

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Different league though.

I mean, I love what he's showing on tape... but we'll see what happens when he faces NFL players.

He's smallish (6'0" 248 if that's accurate and not exaggerated...), so... he's on OLB'er? Pass-rush specialist? I don't see him as the bookend to Hutch because there is no possible way he's going to hold the edge against NFL tackles.

But hey... any kind of pass rush help the Lions get is a plus... again, we'll just see what he does against NFL players. At his size... he seems like another James Houston (although with different technique as you can see on the tape...).

A plus to Holmes for finding "things" underneath every single stone ("leave no unturned..."). We'll see if he found a little golden nugget or just some pyrite.

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I know there's guys from back in the day like Moon and Flutie who had NFL success after being in the CFL but are there any real recent examples? I trust Holmes but I'm totally tempering my expectations on this one. Maybe he'll help but I'm guessing more than likely he isn't going to amount to much. 

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Currently, I see some Canadian players but they've stuck with their NFL teams and never played in the CFL:

Michael Hoecht is a pretty good DT for the Rams with 6 sacks, a forced fumble and 81 tackles in 2023. (Seems like a lot of tackles for a DT... he's 6'4" 310 which doesn't say anything... maybe he has some "wiggle"/ athleticism to get to guys...?

Jevon Holland is a pretty good safety for the Dolphins.

Dalton Kincaid: Pretty good TE for the Bills.

I had to Google just to find that as I have no clue otherwise...

 

Fun fact: Eddie Murray is Canadian? Damn!!!

 

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6 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

Currently, I see some Canadian players but they've stuck with their NFL teams and never played in the CFL:

Michael Hoecht is a pretty good DT for the Rams with 6 sacks, a forced fumble and 81 tackles in 2023. (Seems like a lot of tackles for a DT... he's 6'4" 310 which doesn't say anything... maybe he has some "wiggle"/ athleticism to get to guys...?

Jevon Holland is a pretty good safety for the Dolphins.

Dalton Kincaid: Pretty good TE for the Bills.

I had to Google just to find that as I have no clue otherwise...

 

Fun fact: Eddie Murray is Canadian? Damn!!!

 

The Rams play Hoecht at LB a lot for some reason. Laporta cooked him for a TD in the playoff game. 

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11 hours ago, 1984Echoes said:

Different league though.

I mean, I love what he's showing on tape... but we'll see what happens when he faces NFL players.

He's smallish (6'0" 248 if that's accurate and not exaggerated...), so... he's on OLB'er? Pass-rush specialist? I don't see him as the bookend to Hutch because there is no possible way he's going to hold the edge against NFL tackles.

But hey... any kind of pass rush help the Lions get is a plus... again, we'll just see what he does against NFL players. At his size... he seems like another James Houston (although with different technique as you can see on the tape...).

A plus to Holmes for finding "things" underneath every single stone ("leave no unturned..."). We'll see if he found a little golden nugget or just some pyrite.

Pretty much my feeling exactly. On the good news side... he won't have to learn a new team name, so his learning curve will be slightly lower. 😉

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On 2/12/2024 at 11:57 AM, 1984Echoes said:

Ragnow is getting injured often.

When he's out 6 games next year, what's the backup plan?

Interior line of Awosika-Glasgow-Sorsdal?

Sorry... but that doesn't give me any comfort level whatsoever.

Can't afford Jonah is bull****. IMO.

He won't get top 10 guard money... that's BS.

The O-Line is the ENGINE of this team.

**** up the O-Line and we **** up our Super Bowl chances.

Sorry, but I'm overruling you.

Of all of our Free Agents this year: Jonah Jackson is our priority re-sign #1.

I agree and I disagree.

OL is the engine of this teams success.  They need to keep feeding it.   Yes, if they mess it up, they **** up the Super Bowl chances.  

Jonah Jackson is very average.  He had a good year in 2021 and hasn’t been at that level since.   I also don’t think he’s that tough.  Ragnow will play through anything and Jackson will sit at almost anything.    Let’s let someone else pay him.  His production should not be hard for Brad to replace and improve on.  

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Well, Sorsdal did not get the nod at the end of the year when Jackson was out. This is not promising but clearly Sorsdal was drafted as a project. 

Jackson is better than he is being credited for here but with his injury history he does not merit a big multi-year deal. 

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56 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

Many of Holmes picks end up taking major strides in year 2 or 3 like Iffy, Barnes, Paschal(when he wasnt injured) and McNeil so despite his lackluster effort in limited time this year I'm not writing off Sordsal being a player in the future. 

So when does Levi take a big jump?

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10 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

So when does Levi take a big jump?

Never! If he takes a big jump he'll probably injury his back when he lands.

Seriously though, I don't think he's going to be amounting to much, but I think it's more injury related than skill related.

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3 hours ago, Hongbit said:

....  His production should not be hard for Brad to replace and improve on.  

As long as this is true and Holmes picks up whoever this guy may be (draft OR free agent...) and the player proves out this idea...

I'm good with it.

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Sorsdol was drafted as the jack of all trades, master of none offensive lineman. You can’t roster 10 offensive linemen, so it’s nice to have backup linemen who can plug and play anywhere  on the line. Sorsdol was a five year starter at RT, but was projected as an NFL OG, and could probably play C in a pinch. It’s nice to have that versatility on your bench.

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3 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

Sorsdol was drafted as the jack of all trades, master of none offensive lineman. You can’t roster 10 offensive linemen, so it’s nice to have backup linemen who can plug and play anywhere  on the line. Sorsdol was a five year starter at RT, but was projected as an NFL OG, and could probably play C in a pinch. It’s nice to have that versatility on your bench.

It's a huge jump from William and Mary and the Coastal Athletic Conference to the NFL, huge learning curve. He's had a taste, hoping for the best from him

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2 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

It's a huge jump from William and Mary and the Coastal Athletic Conference to the NFL, huge learning curve. He's had a taste, hoping for the best from him

I agree. I think ideally he wouldn't have seen any playing time, let alone any starting time this season. I'm hopeful he can still turn into a serviceable backup.

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17 hours ago, 1984Echoes said:

Currently, I see some Canadian players but they've stuck with their NFL teams and never played in the CFL:

Michael Hoecht is a pretty good DT for the Rams with 6 sacks, a forced fumble and 81 tackles in 2023. (Seems like a lot of tackles for a DT... he's 6'4" 310 which doesn't say anything... maybe he has some "wiggle"/ athleticism to get to guys...?

Jevon Holland is a pretty good safety for the Dolphins.

Dalton Kincaid: Pretty good TE for the Bills.

I had to Google just to find that as I have no clue otherwise...

 

Fun fact: Eddie Murray is Canadian? Damn!!!

 

Canadian players who make it to the NFL usually go straight there, bypass the CFL. Tight end Luke Wilson, for example, grew up in Windsor, played college football for Rice, then got drafted by the Seahawks in 2013,  played several years for them as a starter then had cups of coffee with a few other teams like the Lions. Nathan Rourke, an American who played college ball in the MAC for Ohio, went right to Canada after college and set the CFL on fire for a couple of years as the QB here in BC. So this past summer tried to make the Jaguars, but did not, although did spend some time on the practice squad before being waived and picked up by the Patriots. His few minutes of fame was the highlight reel play in the pre-season though. 

 

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