Archie Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 In our area mask usage is very rare. I would say 5 to 10% or less in the stores I have been too recently. We are required to wear them at work and most are chin guards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 On 10/15/2021 at 2:05 PM, buddha said: maybe, but i hope the end game doesnt entail everyone being required to wear a mask indoors. especially kids. its overkill, imo. That's not going to happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Archie said: In our area mask usage is very rare. I would say 5 to 10% or less in the stores I have been too recently. We are required to wear them at work and most are chin guards. Mask usage is more like 20-25% here, but that is down from when we had the massive spike in cases this summer when it jumped back up to something like 65-70% again. To an extent, the combination of vaccination and dumbasses who will not avail themselves is the endgame here.... pretty soon we will all have exposure either naturally or through vaccination. Which in the long run moves us from it being a pandemic to endemic. I'd imagine the rules on masking, to the extent that certain regions even have rules/regs on masking, will evolve as this transition occurs. Edited October 17, 2021 by mtutiger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 (edited) 59 minutes ago, mtutiger said: To an extent, the combination of vaccination and dumbasses who will not avail themselves is the endgame here.... pretty soon we will all have exposure either naturally or through vaccination. Which in the long run moves us from it being a pandemic to endemic. pretty much. There have been over 1 million confirmed cases in the state to date, which means probably 2 million including asymptomatic infections, and 5.5 million vaccinated. So say the remaining target population is about 2 million. Vaccinations are running about 500K/month and infections are running at 100K/month. So the 'naked' target population is currently falling by >25% per month. Edited October 17, 2021 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 41 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: pretty much. There have been over 1 million confirmed cases in the state to date, which means probably 2 million including asymptomatic infections, and 5.5 million vaccinated. So say the remaining target population is about 2 million. Vaccinations are running about 500K/month and infections are running at 100K/month. So the 'naked' target population is currently falling by >25% per month. The thing with that math though is there is overlap among those infected and vaccinated. How much overlap? Who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, oblong said: The thing with that math though is there is overlap among those infected and vaccinated. How much overlap? Who knows. of course that is true, - it's a rough approximation, but the basic geometry that the target pop is now shrinking pretty rapidly in a way that wasn't true for the previous surges doesn't change. Edited October 17, 2021 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 9 hours ago, Archie said: In our area mask usage is very rare. I would say 5 to 10% or less in the stores I have been too recently. We are required to wear them at work and most are chin guards. How many Covid deaths in your county? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 2 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: of course that is true, - it's a rough approximation, but the basic geometry that the target pop is now shrinking pretty rapidly in a way that wasn't true for the previous surges doesn't change. Agreed. Which is why the length of this latest surge is puzzling me. We are almost 3 months into slowly rising cases. Who is left? Thursday and Friday numbers slightly below last weeks. A glimmer of hope for me that we are beginning to go down. anecdotally my wife says nearly every vaccinated patient she sees is J&J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smr-nj Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 As a sidenote, I went shopping today just to pick up a few things at a local big grocery store. The toilet paper aisle had nothing on the shelves. Not even a single roll. What the hell? Is this crap starting over again? (No pun intended) Are the hoarders back with a passion?? Just so ridiculous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smr-nj Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 45 minutes ago, oblong said: . anecdotally my wife says nearly every vaccinated patient she sees is J&J. Really?? Wow. I wonder if there are any studies on that nationally? Interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 36 minutes ago, smr-nj said: Really?? Wow. I wonder if there are any studies on that nationally? Interesting. Its fairly widely accepted to be less effective than Pfizer of Moderna, and IIRC FDA is looking at whether to recommend Pfizer/Moderna boosters for J&J recipients. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Colin Powell has died from COVID and was fully vaccinated. So watch the Q-Tards use this to say "See.......it doesn't work". They are going to hammer this to death. In some ways I liked Powell, but he also helped dupe us into a very expensive war on false pretenses that led to a more unstable Middle East. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 He was pressured to do so. That doesn't absolve him... but I place the burden on those who did the pressuring; and also on his moment of weakness. That moment was beyond costly. Similarly, Pence was under duress to overthrow our Democracy by Trump. Glad he didn't also have a moment of weakness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 15 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: He was pressured to do so. That doesn't absolve him... but I place the burden on those who did the pressuring; and also on his moment of weakness. That moment was beyond costly. Similarly, Pence was under duress to overthrow our Democracy by Trump. Glad he didn't also have a moment of weakness. He trusted people that lied to him and used his credibility to burnish their own, which they knew was not sufficient to sell their narrative. That's been pretty much the MO of republican leadership ever since - lie to people who trust you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 and there you go.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Best thing to do is report that tweet and anybody who amplifies it. Let twitter take it down and apply any strikes it needs to he and Gaetz et. al. The quote tweeters are just giving it fuel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Powell was 84. The elderly are the ones that have the most trouble with covid. I didn't know Powell was that old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Just now, Archie said: Powell was 84. The elderly are the ones that have the most trouble with covid. I didn't know Powell was that old. haha - I thought he was in his 90's. The Bush admin seems like an eternity ago to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 13 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: haha - I thought he was in his 90's. The Bush admin seems like an eternity ago to me. Time flies when you get old. I remember him as the General and it seems like yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 He also had lymphoma, which means vaccines may not work that well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 The vaccine manufacturers have never claimed it to be 100% effective. If you compared the number of deaths from the vaccine or of the vaccinated to other medications including over the counter standards like aspirin, you'd see that there is no 100% cure for everything. Thousands of people die from taking aspirin every year. It's like seat belts, seat belts save lives but not every time, but you are far better off wearing one. But that's nuance, and we can't have nuance (or as some would spell it newontz). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 knock on wood, but in MI the 7 day average is down this week. Lowest daily counts in 3 weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 23 hours ago, smr-nj said: As a sidenote, I went shopping today just to pick up a few things at a local big grocery store. The toilet paper aisle had nothing on the shelves. Not even a single roll. What the hell? Is this crap starting over again? (No pun intended) Are the hoarders back with a passion?? Just so ridiculous Bidet All Day. I go through about 20% of the amount of toilet paper I used to. I mainly use it to pat dry now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 weren't there supposed to be 0 cases after the election b/c it was a political hoax? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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