pfife Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 50 minutes ago, oblong said: ssshhh.... you are ruining the narrative. Also today I learned that the Keystone XL pipeline was only 6% complete when Biden "Shut it down" Any oil from that operation would have been years away. What I think is funny is when people argue that closing that pipeline damaged our energy independence. Because Canadian oil = American energy independence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 43 minutes ago, Archie said: The number of current leases is misleading. Not all leases are productive so new ones are needed to be explored . Its was well publicized that on day one Biden signed an executive order that put an end to all new leases and the keystone pipeline. Gas prices have been going up since Biden took office. We were close to being energy independant when the democrats took over and like so many good things for the country they ended it. So do you still trust the sources that told you he stopped all new leases, since that was obviously false? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1776 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 1 hour ago, Tigerbomb13 said: Excellent, all for it. Oil is trading @ $128 a barrel now. This will be interesting to follow although I’m sure some of this is already priced in to some degree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1776 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 I wonder if Jerome Powell is sleeping well at night. The perfect storm has arrived at the FOMC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 7 minutes ago, 1776 said: Excellent, all for it. Oil is trading @ $128 a barrel now. This will be interesting to follow although I’m sure some of this is already priced in to some degree. I wonder if actual imports have already dropped some before this action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Get ready for the biggest inflation spike since the great deppresion...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 38 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: Get ready for the biggest inflation spike since the great deppresion...... Yup! I've said all along that Biden's term has been a disaster. Was that ever an understatement! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 1 hour ago, Archie said: Yup! I've said all along that Biden's term has been a disaster. Was that ever an understatement! Would you prefer they not cut off Russian oil? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerbomb13 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 14 minutes ago, mtutiger said: Would you prefer they not cut off Russian oil? This is the best of both worlds for the GOP. Not cut off Russian oil, they would blame him for being weak. Cut off Russian oil, they will blame him for gas prices. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 1 minute ago, Tigerbomb13 said: This is the best of both worlds for the GOP. Not cut off Russian oil, they would blame him for being weak. Cut off Russian oil, they will blame him for gas prices. Yep. How "patriotic" of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 10 minutes ago, Tigerbomb13 said: This is the best of both worlds for the GOP. Not cut off Russian oil, they would blame him for being weak. Cut off Russian oil, they will blame him for gas prices. They have their double edged sword. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 3 hours ago, mtutiger said: I wonder if actual imports have already dropped some before this action. I think they have. I thought I saw that 2022 YTD (year-to-date) was close to 0% already, or just above that. Last year 10% of our imported oil was Russian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 2 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said: Get ready for the biggest inflation spike since the great deppresion...... You mean since Nixon's stagflation, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 This is more specifically aimed at Archie than at GOP politicians., but in terms of this war, it's happening because of one man alone: Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin. This was a war of choice that did not have to happen. So when someone comes along and, instead of placing blames where it lies, repeatedly blames Joe Biden for this war happening, it starts coming across like an excuse or an apologia for the war criminal who is ultimately responsible for this thing. And it makes me start questioning whether that person wishes this country success in dealing with Russia going forward. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 19 minutes ago, mtutiger said: This is more specifically aimed at Archie than at GOP politicians., but in terms of this war, it's happening because of one man alone: Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin. This was a war of choice that did not have to happen. So when someone comes along and, instead of placing blames where it lies, repeatedly blames Joe Biden for this war happening, it starts coming across like an excuse or an apologia for the war criminal who is ultimately responsible for this thing. And it makes me start questioning whether that person wishes this country success in dealing with Russia going forward. I still believe if we had a strong and healthy POTUS (dem or rep), this invasion wouldn't have happened. This invasion is not only Putin going after Ukraine as it is him and his buddy Xi giving a big FU to the US. The US is being tested because of Biden. I said before that I beleive Condi Rice is calling the shots behind the scenes, which makes sense and actually makes me feel better. While I don't agree with her politics she is not a dummy. Biden is probably sitting on the couch with an ice cream cone watching cartoons. As for the economy, inflation and gas prices have been increasing since Biden took office. His/Democrat/Squad policies are mostly responsible for that. If we were an energy independant country then we wouldn't be buying oil from Russia in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 This is the price of gas adjusted for inflation and average miles per gallon of automobiles. Opinion: The price of gasoline isn't really at a record high. In fact, the inflation-adjusted cost of driving a mile was higher for most of the past century - MarketWatch So, it's going up, but it's been a lot worse in the past. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerbomb13 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Condi Rice? 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, Archie said: I still believe if we had a strong and healthy POTUS (dem or rep), this invasion wouldn't have happened. This invasion is not only Putin going after Ukraine as it is him and his buddy Xi giving a big FU to the US. The US is being tested because of Biden. I said before that I beleive Condi Rice is calling the shots behind the scenes, which makes sense and actually makes me feel better. While I don't agree with her politics she is not a dummy. Biden is probably sitting on the couch with an ice cream cone watching cartoons. As for the economy, inflation and gas prices have been increasing since Biden took office. His/Democrat/Squad policies are mostly responsible for that. If we were an energy independant country then we wouldn't be buying oil from Russia in the first place. Who would you consider a strong and healthy POTUS? Please don't embarrass yourself by suggesting Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 7 minutes ago, Tigerbomb13 said: Condi Rice? 🤣 Yeah, Biden is getting lots of advice from experts in the field as he should, but Rice is not one of them. He's not talking to media people or Pillow guy either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerbomb13 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 7 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: Yeah, Biden is getting lots of advice from experts in the field as he should, but Rice is not one of them. He's not talking to media people or Pillow guy either. No doubt. Getting advice is one thing, but to suggest she is this shadow secretary of defense is…silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 22 minutes ago, Archie said: I still believe if we had a strong and healthy POTUS (dem or rep), this invasion wouldn't have happened. And again, I would suggest that you dont understand what you are talking about. Either way, the responsibility for the invasion lies with the invader. Suggestions otherwise make me think you are making excuses or apologias for the invader. And make me question how supportive you are of our country in dealing with the Russians in this moment of aggression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: Who would you consider a strong and healthy POTUS? Please don't embarrass yourself by suggesting Trump. Shrub was strong and healthy - probably more so than any US Pres in my lifetime - and also a disaster as POTUS. And I was dumb enough to vote for him once.... Reagan was in excellent condition for a man of his age until the dementia hit. OTOH, FDR managed WWII with one foot in the grave... Edited March 8, 2022 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 27 minutes ago, Archie said: I still believe if we had a strong and healthy POTUS (dem or rep), this invasion wouldn't have happened. This invasion is not only Putin going after Ukraine as it is him and his buddy Xi giving a big FU to the US. The US is being tested because of Biden. I said before that I beleive Condi Rice is calling the shots behind the scenes, which makes sense and actually makes me feel better. While I don't agree with her politics she is not a dummy. Biden is probably sitting on the couch with an ice cream cone watching cartoons. As for the economy, inflation and gas prices have been increasing since Biden took office. His/Democrat/Squad policies are mostly responsible for that. If we were an energy independant country then we wouldn't be buying oil from Russia in the first place. With all this multiverse stuff going on... Which Universe do you live in Archie Bunker? Because it isn't this one. Are you visiting us from MAGA Universe? Dementia Universe? Live-in-my-Mom's-Basement Universe? Partisan-Hackery-Supreme Universe? Fog-of-my-own-Farts Universe? (Last one was Jim Cowen's suggestion...). I need to know because I want to avoid your universe. There is definitely something wrong, very very wrong, with your universe. I can't quite put my finger on it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 7 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: Shrub was strong and healthy - probably more so than any US Pres in my lifetime - and also a disaster as POTUS. And I was dumb enough to vote for him once.... Reagan was in excellent condition for a man of his age until the dementia hit. OTOH, FDR managed WWII with one foot in the grave... I just want the guy who makes the best decisions for this country. Not for a White Trash Bigoted/Fascist base only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: I just want the guy who makes the best decisions for this country. Not for a White Trash Bigoted/Fascist base only. I want a populist demagogue who tries to cover his insecurities by pretending to be a tough guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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