gehringer_2 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 18 minutes ago, mtutiger said: And like that, Dodgers lead... baseball And win the game. You wonder if the Braves just lost this series right there..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Alex Cora pulls a Dave Roberts lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, mtutiger said: Alex Cora pulls a Dave Roberts lol yeah - what's with these managers who won't let their relievers relieve? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Red Sox 9th Inning: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IdahoBert Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 I don’t want anyone to think I’m following baseball in the postseason because I’m not, but I just want to paraphrase Ice-T’s rejoinder to Aimee Mann regarding his acting talents to say that the Red Sox can eat a hot bowl of whatever it was suggested to her as a main course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 I always liked Dusty Baker and felt he was always underappreciated so if the Astros win I will be cool with it, seeing the Red Sox and their crappy fans suffer makes it that much sweeter. d 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 11 hours ago, Tiger337 said: Yeah, it's been this way for a while, but now I'm a grumpy old man, so I complain about it. As for viewership, I think young fans follow sports differently today. They gamble on games or play fantasy sports jumping from game to game or watching highlights on twitter. So, I don't know than an extra round will affect viewership. We'll see. Extra rounds do add to the gambling, crypto, and NFT revenue, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 My feelings about the playoffs are evolving. I like the extra baseball that comes with more and longer rounds, but I have long left behind the notion that the team that emerges at the end is the best, even if they are the “champs”. But much of that extra is also coming in-game as they stretch beyond four hours even for matches that are not particularly close. Literally half the nation are unable to see the final out until the calendar has turned to the next day. But, to Lee’s point, do game length and end times even matter for people for whom games are not much more than prop bet opportunities? The World Series used to be unifying events for the sports nation, even when the games all aired during the weekday. Now people can come in and out of games as the mood to gamble strikes, not unlike coming into and leaving in-progress blackjack games in Vegas. I’m sure Baseball is studying minute-by-minute gambling results as closely as they do minute-by-minute Nielsens. It’s not an accident that Joe Buck is promoting prop bets opportunities in between pitches now. Wait until Shep does that starting next year. Through it all, the games are still there to watch from beginning to end for those people who still want to—or at least those who can keep their eyes open for. The number of people who want to do so do seem to be dwindling, though, as Baseball moves decisively into a future where a game is less a four-hour story to savor than it is a series of discrete events to wager on. Manfred gave away the whole game when he revealed his conversation with Adam Silver. I guess I’ll just have to remember that as the game continues unimpeded down its current path here in Biff Tannen’s America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 8 hours ago, mtutiger said: Red Sox 9th Inning: In Boston’s defense: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, chasfh said: My feelings about the playoffs are evolving. I like the extra baseball that comes with more and longer rounds, but I have long left behind the notion that the team that emerges at the end is the best, even if they are the “champs”. But much of that extra is also coming in-game as they stretch beyond four hours even for matches that are not particularly close. Literally half the nation are unable to see the final out until the calendar has turned to the next day. But, to Lee’s point, do game length and end times even matter for people for whom games are not much more than prop bet opportunities? The World Series used to be unifying events for the sports nation, even when the games all aired during the weekday. Now people can come in and out of games as the mood to gamble strikes, not unlike coming into and leaving in-progress blackjack games in Vegas. I’m sure Baseball is studying minute-by-minute gambling results as closely as they do minute-by-minute Nielsens. It’s not an accident that Joe Buck is promoting prop bets opportunities in between pitches now. Wait until Shep does that starting next year. Through it all, the games are still there to watch from beginning to end for those people who still want to—or at least those who can keep their eyes open for. The number of people who want to do so do seem to be dwindling, though, as Baseball moves decisively into a future where a game is less a four-hour story to savor than it is a series of discrete events to wager on. Manfred gave away the whole game when he revealed his conversation with Adam Silver. I guess I’ll just have to remember that as the game continues unimpeded down its current path here in Biff Tannen’s America. The length of the games and the start times are just ridiculous. But its the same in all sports. The Super Bowl is probably the best championship start time, but even with that, why on a Sunday night which drains people for Monday morning? Edited October 20, 2021 by casimir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, chasfh said: In Boston’s defense: Of course, Diaz called one of those pitches that was four ball widths off the plate a strike to the previous batter. Laz Diaz sucks, but let's not pretend they didn't benefit as well at times. Edited October 20, 2021 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Not pretending a thing. Just implying that a ball that clipped the strike zone would have ended the inning had it been called, but it wasn't, and seven runs later ... Also not blaming Astros' seven runs on a blown call. Baseball is a game of events that lead to later events. Just an interesting what if possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 13 minutes ago, chasfh said: Not pretending a thing. Just implying that a ball that clipped the strike zone would have ended the inning had it been called, but it wasn't, and seven runs later ... Also not blaming Astros' seven runs on a blown call. Baseball is a game of events that lead to later events. Just an interesting what if possibility. The crying by Red Sox fans just seems a bit over the top to me. They had ample opportunities to score more runs yesterday or prevent more runs from scoring once Jason Castro got that base hit and they didn't avail themselves of them. Just don't have a lot of sympathy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Brian_K Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 I was watching when JD got hosed by 2 different calls WELL off the plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Brian_K Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 35 minutes ago, mtutiger said: The crying by Red Sox fans just seems a bit over the top to me. They had ample opportunities to score more runs yesterday or prevent more runs from scoring once Jason Castro got that base hit and they didn't avail themselves of them. Just don't have a lot of sympathy. I do not care which team it was as I have no dog in the fight at all..., but when the zone gets expanded THAT much and you are a team that is VERY conscious about not swinging out of the SZ....it can all add up. As far as Boston fans...they can all go suck an egg as far as I am concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 14 hours ago, Tiger337 said: Yeah, it's been this way for a while, but now I'm a grumpy old man, so I complain about it. As for viewership, I think young fans follow sports differently today. They gamble on games or play fantasy sports jumping from game to game or watching highlights on twitter. So, I don't know than an extra round will affect viewership. We'll see. yeah fantasy is big. I have no sense of who gambles or how much. There are obviously a ton of folks spending a lot of money trying to attract them so someone thinks it's a big market, but who knows how many of them will survive to recoup their advertising investment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 1 minute ago, gehringer_2 said: yeah fantasy is big. I have no sense of who gambles or how much. There are obviously a ton of folks spending a lot of money trying to attract them so someone thinks it's a big market, but who knows how many of them will survive to recoup their advertising investment? Addiction markets usually do well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 10 minutes ago, John_Brian_K said: I was watching when JD got hosed by 2 different calls WELL off the plate. The one call on JD was about as bad as I have seen this season. It seems pretty clear to me that the league has instructed umps to call wide this year - particularly to the outside, which seems to just to re-inforce all the worst trends in the game. It strongly favors sliders, which are the hardest pitch on pitcher's arms, it increases Ks and thus adds to the all or nothing aspect of the hitting, and it injects another huge dose of random outcome noise into a game already has enough built into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted October 20, 2021 Author Share Posted October 20, 2021 2 hours ago, chasfh said: In Boston’s defense: That call to Eovaldi is not as horrible as I thought it would be based on the reaction I read. If it's the pitch I think it is, the green one touching the upper right solid box. You can play the woulda coulda shoulda game in perpituity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Speaking of gambling: https://www.golfdigest.com/story/report-details-criminal-record-of-james-adducci-the-gambler-who-won-dollar12-million-on-tiger-woods-masters-victory That's not him though. Our Jim Adduci would never allow himself to be caught. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 The games are too long. I was ready for bed after the early game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IdahoBert Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Luke Jackson was pitching to AJ Pollock. Yes. A Jackson/Pollock matchup. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Useful Idiot Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 3 hours ago, chasfh said: they stretch beyond four hours even for matches that are not particularly close. When game broadcasts resume from commercial break, and you observe outfielders playing catch with each other as well as with infielders,... as seems pretty evident to me where the true delay of game originates . Pitch clocks will never fix that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Brian_K Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 44 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: The one call on JD was about as bad as I have seen this season. It seems pretty clear to me that the league has instructed umps to call wide this year - particularly to the outside, which seems to just to re-inforce all the worst trends in the game. It strongly favors sliders, which are the hardest pitch on pitcher's arms, it increases Ks and thus adds to the all or nothing aspect of the hitting, and it injects another huge dose of random outcome noise into a game already has enough built into it. It was brutal. It was not close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 I have gone to sleep before every night playoff game has ended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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