2023 NFL Draft Thread

[buddha]

if they dont take a qb early, take one late and make them a 3rd stringer but not a backup.  they have ambitions this season and if goff goes down they need a quality backup, not a guy just cutting his teeth.

[Motown Bombers]

 

[Jason_R]

1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said:

I think McVay is a good offensive mind, but I think Campbell is a better coach. When Goff was struggling, Campbell took control and took him under his wing and coached him up and it paid off with a Pro Bowl season. McVay played games and benched him in favor of John Wolford. 

You're exactly right. Stafford dragged McVay across the finish line. That Super Bowl season pushed off what would likely have been an early flame out to McVay's head coaching career.

It is still easy to imagine McVay flaming out if he has another disappointing season next year, or wearing out his welcome if his coaches or players turn on him as it seems was about to happen at the end of last season. 

[NYLion]

1 hour ago, buddha said:

i think richardson has a chance to be a superstar....and a chance to be the next mitch trubisky or akili smith. 

bryce young is a quandry.  he's really too small but he's such a good playmaker.  

stroud's low "processing" score is worrisome.  might be slow on the uptake like fields without the amazing athletic ability.

dont know enough about levis.

not sure i would risk it for any of them.

I think the chances of Richardson becoming a superstar are remote. QBs with that level of inaccuracy succeeding at a high level in the NFL are big outliers. I'd take the limited physical package of Young (the size outlier) with very high processing skills and accuracy over the more toolsy Richardson (the accuracy outlier) even for upside not accounting for floor.

I see the upside for Young vs. Richardson as something like Brees vs. Newton. I know who I'd take between those two.

Edited April 26, 2023 by NYLion

[MichiganCardinal]

29 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

I think he's correct that it was not an accident. I think either the Raiders or Titans leaked it.

[MichiganCardinal]

My Final Mock Draft

1. Carolina Panthers (from CHI): Bryce Young, QB, Alabama

2. Houston Texans: Will Levis, QB, Kentucky

3. Arizona Cardinals: Paris Johnson, OT, Ohio State

4. Indianapolis Colts: CJ Stroud, QB, Ohio State

5. Seattle Seahawks (from DEN): Tyree Wilson, EDGE, Texas Tech

6. Detroit Lions (from LAR): Will Anderson, EDGE, Alabama

7. Philadelphia Eagles (Trade w/ LV): Jalen Carter, DT, Georgia

8. Atlanta Falcons: Devon Witherspoon, CB, Illinois

9. Chicago Bears (from CAR): Darnell Wright, OT, Tennessee

10. Las Vegas Raiders (Trade w/ PHI): Christian Gonzalez, CB, Oregon

11. Tennessee Titans: Anthony Richardson, QB, Florida

12. Houston Texans (from CLE): Jaxon Smith-Njigba, WR, Ohio State

13. Detroit Lions (Trade w/ GB): Bijan Robinson, RB, Texas

14. New England Patriots: Brian Branch, DB, Alabama

15. New York Jets: Peter Skoronski, OG, Northwestern

16. Washington Commanders: Emmanuel Forbes, CB, Mississippi State

17. Pittsburgh Steelers: Joey Porter Jr., CB, Penn State

18. Green Bay Packers (Trade w/ DET): Michael Mayer, TE, Notre Dame

19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Nolan Smith, EDGE, Georgia

20. Seattle Seahawks: Hendon Hooker, QB, Tennessee

21. Los Angeles Chargers: Lukas Van Ness, EDGE, Iowa

22. Baltimore Ravens: Jordan Addison, WR, USC

23. Minnesota Vikings: Deonte Banks, CB, Maryland

24. Jacksonville Jaguars: Zay Flowers, WR, Boston College

25. New York Giants: Dalton Kincaid, TE, Utah

26. Dallas Cowboys: Darnell Washington, TE, Georgia

27. Buffalo Bills: O’Cyrus Torrence, OG, Florida

28. Cincinnati Bengals: Jahmyr Gibbs, RB, Alabama

29. New Orleans Saints (from DEN thru SF): Kelee Ringo, CB, Georgia

30. Philadelphia Eagles: Myles Murphy, EDGE, Clemson

31. Kansas City Chiefs: Jaelyn Duncan, OT, Maryland

 

Lions

2.17 (#48) - Jack Campbell, LB, Iowa

2.24 (#55) - Quan Martin, DB, Illinois

[3.18 (#81) - Traded to Green Bay Packers, along with 2024 5th round pick]

4.28 (#130 - Trade w/ BUF in exchange for D’Andre Swift) - Max Duggan, QB, TCU

5.17 (#152) - Michael Wilson, WR, Stanford

5.24 (#159) - Riley Moss, CB, Iowa

6.6 (#183 - from DEN) - Antonio Mafi, OG, UCLA

6.17 (#194) - Zack Kuntz, TE, Old Dominion

[AlaskanTigersFan]

13 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

My Final Mock Draft

1. Carolina Panthers (from CHI): Bryce Young, QB, Alabama

2. Houston Texans: Will Levis, QB, Kentucky

3. Arizona Cardinals: Paris Johnson, OT, Ohio State

4. Indianapolis Colts: CJ Stroud, QB, Ohio State

5. Seattle Seahawks (from DEN): Tyree Wilson, EDGE, Texas Tech

6. Detroit Lions (from LAR): Will Anderson, EDGE, Alabama

7. Philadelphia Eagles (Trade w/ LV): Jalen Carter, DT, Georgia

8. Atlanta Falcons: Devon Witherspoon, CB, Illinois

9. Chicago Bears (from CAR): Darnell Wright, OT, Tennessee

10. Las Vegas Raiders (Trade w/ PHI): Christian Gonzalez, CB, Oregon

11. Tennessee Titans: Anthony Richardson, QB, Florida

12. Houston Texans (from CLE): Jaxon Smith-Njigba, WR, Ohio State

13. Detroit Lions (Trade w/ GB): Bijan Robinson, RB, Texas

 

If I wasn't married and this actually happened, I would propose to you..... If the lions walk away with Anderson AND Robinson, that is a draft win all in itself.

[Hongbit]

I see no bigger tribute to the late Dwayne Haskins that a team drafting CJ Stroud.   They are like that Spider-Man meme except one of them died and the other one hasn’t become a first round bust yet.  
 

Edited April 26, 2023 by Hongbit

[buddha]

this is why i love the nfl draft.  today is like xmas eve!  cant wait for tomorrow and this weekend.  nhl and nba playoffs, tigers havent been officially eliminated yet, nfl draft, best time of the year.

[MichiganCardinal]

The Cardinals are doomed.

[Mr.TaterSalad]

I think they end up drafting Devin Witherspoon at 6, Darnell Wright at 18, Siaki Ika at 48, and Jahmyr Gibbs via a trade up to the early 2nd round from 55.

[holygoat]

11 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

It's much easier to develop a good run game than to find a QB who can succeed without a good run game or offensive line. 

I think this is true. How many QBs are there in the NFL in any given season who can succeed without a good O-line and a good running game? A half dozen at best? 

[Longgone]

4 hours ago, holygoat said:

I think this is true. How many QBs are there in the NFL in any given season who can succeed without a good O-line and a good running game? A half dozen at best? 

None

[RandyMarsh]

The last couple years ESPN has been good about not spoiling the picks by showing the players smiling on their phones talking to the team picking them, I hope that is the case again this year. 

Which also reminds me to stay off twitter atleast around the Lions pick cause I just love the suspense of finding out who they are picking right when Goodell makes the announcement.

 

[Shinzaki]

CJ Stroud was going to comment on his cognitive test results last weekend...but he needed a few days to process them

[KL2]

1 hour ago, RandyMarsh said:

The last couple years ESPN has been good about not spoiling the picks by showing the players smiling on their phones talking to the team picking them, I hope that is the case again this year. 

Which also reminds me to stay off twitter atleast around the Lions pick cause I just love the suspense of finding out who they are picking right when Goodell makes the announcement.

 

This year too, they are supposed to be reducing the number of "his mom died at 14 and now he's a draftee" or "his sister has battled a drug addiction for years" stories. 

[RedRamage]

17 hours ago, buddha said:

if they dont take a qb early, take one late and make them a 3rd stringer but not a backup.  they have ambitions this season and if goff goes down they need a quality backup, not a guy just cutting his teeth.

I was listening to the Locked on Lions podcast yesterday and they had a guest on... can't remember who, but he brought up an interesting point: That the Lions might be suffering a bit by not having a mobile QB on the scout team. The guest mentioned picking up someone like Thompson-Robinson in the draft on the off chance that you could develop him into a star and if not, at least you have someone mobile for the defense to practice against.

[Motown Bombers]

Just put Tom Kennedy at QB. Problem solved. 

[RedRamage]

16 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said:

My Final Mock Draft

1. Carolina Panthers (from CHI): Bryce Young, QB, Alabama

2. Houston Texans: Will Levis, QB, Kentucky

3. Arizona Cardinals: Paris Johnson, OT, Ohio State

4. Indianapolis Colts: CJ Stroud, QB, Ohio State

5. Seattle Seahawks (from DEN): Tyree Wilson, EDGE, Texas Tech

6. Detroit Lions (from LAR): Will Anderson, EDGE, Alabama

7. Philadelphia Eagles (Trade w/ LV): Jalen Carter, DT, Georgia

8. Atlanta Falcons: Devon Witherspoon, CB, Illinois

9. Chicago Bears (from CAR): Darnell Wright, OT, Tennessee

10. Las Vegas Raiders (Trade w/ PHI): Christian Gonzalez, CB, Oregon

11. Tennessee Titans: Anthony Richardson, QB, Florida

12. Houston Texans (from CLE): Jaxon Smith-Njigba, WR, Ohio State

13. Detroit Lions (Trade w/ GB): Bijan Robinson, RB, Texas

14. New England Patriots: Brian Branch, DB, Alabama

15. New York Jets: Peter Skoronski, OG, Northwestern

16. Washington Commanders: Emmanuel Forbes, CB, Mississippi State

17. Pittsburgh Steelers: Joey Porter Jr., CB, Penn State

18. Green Bay Packers (Trade w/ DET): Michael Mayer, TE, Notre Dame

19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Nolan Smith, EDGE, Georgia

20. Seattle Seahawks: Hendon Hooker, QB, Tennessee

21. Los Angeles Chargers: Lukas Van Ness, EDGE, Iowa

22. Baltimore Ravens: Jordan Addison, WR, USC

23. Minnesota Vikings: Deonte Banks, CB, Maryland

24. Jacksonville Jaguars: Zay Flowers, WR, Boston College

25. New York Giants: Dalton Kincaid, TE, Utah

26. Dallas Cowboys: Darnell Washington, TE, Georgia

27. Buffalo Bills: O’Cyrus Torrence, OG, Florida

28. Cincinnati Bengals: Jahmyr Gibbs, RB, Alabama

29. New Orleans Saints (from DEN thru SF): Kelee Ringo, CB, Georgia

30. Philadelphia Eagles: Myles Murphy, EDGE, Clemson

31. Kansas City Chiefs: Jaelyn Duncan, OT, Maryland

 

Lions

2.17 (#48) - Jack Campbell, LB, Iowa

2.24 (#55) - Quan Martin, DB, Illinois

[3.18 (#81) - Traded to Green Bay Packers, along with 2024 5th round pick]

4.28 (#130 - Trade w/ BUF in exchange for D’Andre Swift) - Max Duggan, QB, TCU

5.17 (#152) - Michael Wilson, WR, Stanford

5.24 (#159) - Riley Moss, CB, Iowa

6.6 (#183 - from DEN) - Antonio Mafi, OG, UCLA

6.17 (#194) - Zack Kuntz, TE, Old Dominion

Where do you have Calijah Kancey going? If he was there at 48 I would have taken him. Also, is the Swift trade straight up a 4th rounder for him or are getting something more?  A 4th for Swift seems low, but I might be putting too much value on him.

[RandyMarsh]

I don't know where I heard it or for what team for that matter but I swear I was watching a game this past year and the announcers brought up how the team did indeed use a WR or RB as the scout team qb to prepare the defense for the mobile qb they were facing.

[RedRamage]

1 hour ago, RandyMarsh said:

Which also reminds me to stay off twitter atleast around the Lions pick cause I just love the suspense of finding out who they are picking right when Goodell makes the announcement.

You mean after they come back a commercial break?

[RedRamage]

5 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Just put Tom Kennedy at QB. Problem solved. 

Not sure if you're joking or if you really believe that to be a solution.

[RandyMarsh]

9 minutes ago, RedRamage said:

You mean after they come back a commercial break?

That's true, it's pretty much a given they will go to break right before the Lions pick only for them to return seconds before the announcement. 

Also you're pretty much guaranteed that they will spend 5 minutes after you pick interviewing a previous selection so they never get to break down your selection. 

Edited April 27, 2023 by RandyMarsh

[Jimbo]

I do really like Goff although I just don't feel like you can pay him ridiculous money and assume its not going to affect the rest of the team with cap hits.  I think the Daniel Jones signing wasn't the smartest move although maybe I missing something with him.  You can pay Generational talent like Mahomes, Brady, Manning and still win Championships losing other great players.  Although if Holmes continues drafts like the last two, you can pay Goff and just keep on replacing other players.  That will be his decision.

I just want a patient approach with this team and not necessarily go for broke this year.  If that means taking a QB you feel is better for the sustained success of this team I am all for it.  If you feel like Goff is the best for that sustained success than I am good with that as well.  I will say that QB position is the hardest to draft for when there isn't the blue chip guy like Luck or Manning. 

[KL2]

19 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

I don't know where I heard it or for what team for that matter but I swear I was watching a game this past year and the announcers brought up how the team did indeed use a WR or RB as the scout team qb to prepare the defense for the mobile qb they were facing.

Lots of teams do that. I know Iowa does when we face a running QB cause all of ours are statues. So they take like the 5th RB and put him back there.