SoCalTiger Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 Maybe playing Tork at 3B is one of the calculated risks Harris was referring to ? It’s certainly easier finding a first than third baseman. But doesn’t that only add to Torks hitting woes ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted October 7, 2022 Author Share Posted October 7, 2022 1 hour ago, bobrob2004 said: First base is not that hard. Tell him, Wash. It’s incredibly hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KL2 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 2 hours ago, RandyMarsh said: It's been so long since we've been to the playoffs and in turn me really paying attention to the WC/1st round but did they always have playoff games on during a weekday at Noon like they do right now with Cleveland and TB? Yeah a lot of ours were Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 2 hours ago, SoCalTiger said: Maybe playing Tork at 3B is one of the calculated risks Harris was referring to ? It’s certainly easier finding a first than third baseman. But doesn’t that only add to Torks hitting woes ? he doesn't need to hit for as much OPS to be valuable at 3b compared to 1b, but obviously we still hope he turns into the hitter we thought we drafted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hart Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 I don't really want Tork at third, especially if he is showing promise as a first baseman. The last thing we need is him worrying about his defense at third base next year. I have been on the side of letting Candelario go. But with a new hitting coach, I could probably get on board with giving him a shot to see if he can find his 2021 form. We have to have a decent backup plan though if he comes out next April and looks like the same player he was this year. Basically, we are going to have to take some chances this offseason and he is one of the few guys we can take a chance with that's actually had a pretty successful full season in the majors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hart Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 Haase seems like a guy you keep around for where you need him most. Could end up that is cacher. Could end up that is the outfield. Could be he is just a platoon at DH. Could be a backup plan for Torkelson at first base. Probably best not to pigeonhole him into one role this offseason and just let the chips fall where they may. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 Haase = Wockenfuss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StatikIEV Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 10 hours ago, JackPine said: How do they fit Haase's bat into the lineup without letting him catch? If he's the non-primary catcher he could catch 1.5 games a week and dh 3 games a week (assuming Miggy is no longer the primary dh). Maybe play OF occasionally, does anyone trust him out there either? Well, I did say 'if': "We need to find another role for Haase if we want to keep his bat...." The if/why would be if we still suck. My point is Haase isn't a championship calibre catcher, or even a middle of the road calibre catcher...because he doesn't have the ability to catch extraordinary stuff, and it is unacceptable to have pitchers have to alter their pitch selection in order to compensate for his shortcomings...and that is what is happening. It is uncommonly bad/well illustrated when it comes to Lange...who has exceptional raw talent. Put a man on 3rd with Haase behind the plate and his BA against/ERA goes to the moon. Here are Lange's stats with Barnhardt and Haase catching...I will let the community guess which stat line is with Barnhardt and which with Haase. Lange had an all-timey great season with one guy...and a one way ticket to the minors type season with the other guy. 30.1 ip 0.00 era .104/.146/.350 31.2 ip 6.82 era .285/.446/.829 Unacceptable...not just in the catching performance, but moreso in the lack of fundamental understanding of baseball and analytics. Haase friggin caught Lange 36 times. There are so many of these types of obvious errors of ignorance (whether intentional or not) in our baseball decision/management hierachy....but let's have the axe fall on Santiago and the last standing back-up to the back-up coach that wasn't hired by the current regime. At least the new balanced schedule should fix the 'who could have known that having 19 of 20 starters in our division being righties was going to make Baez not worth his contract in a new league' problem. HuZZah for fortunate accidents! ...not that I feel strongly about it 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 Those are devastating points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 Yes they are ..like WOW..so how does Hinch let that happen ? ? Do they not know ? They must know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 1 hour ago, StatikIEV said: Well, I did say 'if': "We need to find another role for Haase if we want to keep his bat...." The if/why would be if we still suck. My point is Haase isn't a championship calibre catcher, or even a middle of the road calibre catcher...because he doesn't have the ability to catch extraordinary stuff, and it is unacceptable to have pitchers have to alter their pitch selection in order to compensate for his shortcomings...and that is what is happening. It is uncommonly bad/well illustrated when it comes to Lange...who has exceptional raw talent. Put a man on 3rd with Haase behind the plate and his BA against/ERA goes to the moon. Here are Lange's stats with Barnhardt and Haase catching...I will let the community guess which stat line is with Barnhardt and which with Haase. Lange had an all-timey great season with one guy...and a one way ticket to the minors type season with the other guy. 30.1 ip 0.00 era .104/.146/.350 31.2 ip 6.82 era .285/.446/.829 Unacceptable...not just in the catching performance, but moreso in the lack of fundamental understanding of baseball and analytics. Haase friggin caught Lange 36 times. There are so many of these types of obvious errors of ignorance (whether intentional or not) in our baseball decision/management hierachy....but let's have the axe fall on Santiago and the last standing back-up to the back-up coach that wasn't hired by the current regime. At least the new balanced schedule should fix the 'who could have known that having 19 of 20 starters in our division being righties was going to make Baez not worth his contract in a new league' problem. HuZZah for fortunate accidents! ...not that I feel strongly about it May I ask where do you find this information ? And do you think Scot Harris is aware of this ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddwert Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 11 hours ago, Tenacious D said: Haase = Wockenfuss are the Tigers the only fanbase that calls out a player from 40+ years ago for a comp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 Haase is another great example of why it isn't ideal to have to carry Miguel for another year because it would be relatively easy to utilize him as a backup catcher and utilize him as a DH on most days he's not behind the plate. But it is what it is... and I'd be surprised if they didn't bring him back next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 1 hour ago, Toddwert said: are the Tigers the only fanbase that calls out a player from 40+ years ago for a comp? Harold Castro = Enos Cabell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 nobody = Alan Trammell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddwert Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 matt nokes=? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 5 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: Harris seems hard at work offloading the deadwood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StatikIEV Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 10 hours ago, SoCalTiger said: May I ask where do you find this information ? And do you think Scot Harris is aware of this ? Not sure how to link off my phone, but if you break out seasonal pitching splits you can then sub filter by positional selection (sudenoye: there is an adjustment one should make as there is interference in the numbers via IR, but in this case, doing/allowing for that fractional adjustment is jejeune). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 Scott Pleis is out as scouting director. No surprise. No word yet on Chadd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddwert Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 good now do Chadd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobrob2004 Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, SoCalTiger said: May I ask where do you find this information ? And do you think Scot Harris is aware of this ? https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.fcgi?id=langeal01&year=2022&t=p#catch The Tigers' analytics department should have this information and much more. Edit: Split G IP ER ERA PA AB R H 2B 3B HR SB CS BB SO SO/W BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB ROE BAbip tOPS+ sOPS+ Tucker Barnhart 33 30.1 0 0.00 108 96 4 10 2 1 0 4 0 10 36 3.60 .104 .204 .146 .350 14 4 2 0 0 0 1 .167 12 2 Dustin Garneau 2 1.1 2 13.50 7 5 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1.00 .200 .429 .200 .629 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 .250 101 109 Eric Haase 36 31.2 24 6.82 156 130 31 37 4 1 5 2 1 20 45 2.25 .285 .383 .446 .829 58 0 2 2 2 1 3 .390 164 132 Edited October 8, 2022 by bobrob2004 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaki Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 Let's hope Tork does not equal Paul Jata Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 1 hour ago, mtutiger said: Harris seems hard at work offloading the deadwood so far, so good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 shoes need to drop until BWNDITWB* is never again heard in the Tiger org..... *(butweveneverdoneitthatwaybefore) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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